70% of GM not made in USA

70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:04 am

Good thing for the bailouts.


And Chrysler will also be 100% Fiat

Thanks Obama
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:18 am

unbelievable... i think ima throw up! where's are 80 billion dollars >>>>> oh...its over their building China! :mad3:

seriously... we need to NOT think globally anymore because its all smoke N mirrors... we all need to live like William and enjoy what we have and close the borders. :lol:
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:20 am

Funny how you only hear the things you want, the bailout which started was to save U.S. jobs at the time which it did. Cons were itching about Gov. Motors (which they sold at a loss) but some cons made out. You made no mention that the deal was made over 13 years ago, you want free enterprise but this is exactly that (good for the Corp.) most of the American auto industry has been made North & South for decades. Heck China is buying up America along with others & has been doing so for decades, it's even better than Gov. owned like they know here it can be privately owned & our Gov. will give subsidies & even forgive all tax, it's free enterprise can't get much better than that (at least for a small %) not so for the average Joe American but just maybe he or she can get a job at a foreign owned plant in their own back yard. It' what the grand old party plan has been all about, FREE enterprise, it will take care of us all. :mad:
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:41 am

samhill wrote:Funny how you only hear the things you want, the bailout which started was to save U.S. jobs at the time which it did. Cons were itching about Gov. Motors (which they sold at a loss) but some cons made out. You made no mention that the deal was made over 13 years ago, you want free enterprise but this is exactly that (good for the Corp.) most of the American auto industry has been made North & South for decades. Heck China is buying up America along with others & has been doing so for decades, it's even better than Gov. owned like they know here it can be privately owned & our Gov. will give subsidies & even forgive all tax, it's free enterprise can't get much better than that (at least for a small %) not so for the average Joe American but just maybe he or she can get a job at a foreign owned plant in their own back yard. It' what the grand old party plan has been all about, FREE enterprise, it will take care of us all. :mad:



We should have not done a bailout period. Those American workers would have jobs building for another car manufacturer. Maybe a new one with some new ideas. Our money went to bailout a corrupt union and buy votes. No more no less. Maybe the workers could have done like Harley Davidson did a buy GM and have it be owned by the workers. I still do not believe even 10% of that money came back.
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:18 am

Most economists agreed at the time that if allowed to go under it would have sent us into a depression, there was no one Corp. or Country for that matter that had any interest in the big three or parts there of. It was a worldwide recession for the most part. As I said the problem started long ago but not to worry what's good for business is good for America, I heard they are going to get Beyoncé to sing "See the Shanghai Bay in Your Chevrolet", everything will be good, keep buying.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 4285632984
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:40 am

samhill wrote:Most economists agreed at the time that if allowed to go under it would have sent us into a depression, there was no one Corp. or Country for that matter that had any interest in the big three or parts there of. It was a worldwide recession for the most part. As I said the problem started long ago but not to worry what's good for business is good for America, I heard they are going to get Beyoncé to sing "See the Shanghai Bay in Your Chevrolet", everything will be good, keep buying.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 4285632984

Do you doubt that it was government that caused the mess in the first place? And your solution is more government. This partnership of big business and government is pure Fascism.

I think you would agree that monopoly in a sector of industry, whether by business or labor is bad. Isn't monopoly by government equally bad, or worse as it encroaches more and more on the economic system that built the countries prosperity? Don't all those insiders in government have the same motivation as the evil capitalists?
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:43 am

Bush was wrong, and obama was wrong for doubling down on this bailout b/s. GM should've been left to DIE!!

The free market system eventually would've found a vibrant, new company emerge from the ashes, and probably would've created even more jobs than would've been lost through GM. Now, we've got the same old, same old - GM is still building overpriced junk. '14 Silverados are leaving the lot with warped dashes, electronic glitches, and a myriad of other issues. For $50k, you can't even get a well built vehicle anymore. And that's just their trucks! Who knows how many other shoddy vehicles are rolling out. Without the free market to punish them with lack of sales, the bailout has just continued the habit of driving profit margins instead of producing a quality product.

Like Flyer said: thanks obama .... :sick:
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:58 am

Like I said & proved it's been going down for a long time yet the die hards that won't admit to making a mistake continue to buy from them. People buy a piece of crap complain the whole time they have it then buy another, fail to take responsibility for their own actions. It should have gone under long before if not for the one's that kept buying the crap, if left alone when the recession hit there would have only been one plus maybe some smaller one that picked up some pieces & made something half way decent.
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:11 pm

I agree 100% Sam. If people continue buying their *censored* products, what incentive do they have to change?

I was complaining about all the issues I've had with my '07 Silverado (first new vehicle I've ever bought ... and the LAST) on a GM forum once. I got attacked by half the board for "complaining about stupid *censored*". Gee .... I'm sorry if I expect value for my $30 LARGE!!! :wtf: With zombies like that, no wonder GM doesn't give a *censored*.
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: mmcoal On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:00 pm

SMITTY wrote:I agree 100% Sam. If people continue buying their *censored* products, what incentive do they have to change?

I was complaining about all the issues I've had with my '07 Silverado (first new vehicle I've ever bought ... and the LAST) on a GM forum once. I got attacked by half the board for "complaining about stupid *censored*". Gee .... I'm sorry if I expect value for my $30 LARGE!!! :wtf: With zombies like that, no wonder GM doesn't give a *censored*.

Couldn't agree more, but you have to remember it's not just GM. My 07 HD has had some issues, but it would have been the same with any other new vehicle. Every auto maker has their weak points. I don't regret purchasing my new vehicles since they are the vehicles I literally plan to have for the next 20 years or more if possible, but after that I will probably buy something OLD and simple. Even the almighty Ford motor company took money, it just wasn't labeled bailout money. The real solution, go back to horse and wagon. Oh I forgot, the government probably won't allow that because they will just feed us the whole infrastructure BS story again!
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:27 pm

I don't really feel GM would have went away without the bail out. They would have restructured yes but gone no. And if it truly was that bad they should be gone. I bet Obama care has cost the US more jobs than GM closing would have.
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:29 pm

No one under the age of 100 has seen anything close to a "free market" so lets hold off with the finger pointing.

When we get rid of the Federal Reserve and the crooked politicians it buys, then maybe we can start talking about capitalism and free markets again.
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:46 pm

I used to have a chart that showed where all the parts came from for GM vehicles and that was back in the late 70's or early 80's. Even back then it was a global parts vehicle.


Anyone remember when GM reintroduced the small Nova. The friggin' front brake calipers even said Toyota on them. All the so called OEM's have been intertwined with the foreign manufacturers for years and years.


And then we have all these so called aftermarket sheet metal companies operating out of China. All they are is a cheap re-engineered copy of the original who ever the hell made the original.



And for any history buffs out there. Look up OPIC. And yes it is spelled correctly. Stood for Overseas Private Investment Company or Corporation. This was a .gov program started way back after Castro took over Cuba and booted the US casino and club owners out. Too many high profile people lost money in their investments in Cuba. So the .gov decided to "guarantee investments" made in foreign soils by any major manufacturer or entity. THAT MY FRIENDS WAS THE START OF THIS GLOBAL ECONOMY. It guaranteed all manufacturers to go into these 3rd would countries and build factories to produce the goods using cheap foreign labor. And if at some point the leaders of that country booted us out, the investments made in the manufacturer facilities would be reimbursed.




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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:03 pm

I have to slightly disagree that the communist revolution in Cuba was the "start".

We overthrew the government of Hawai'i to benefit the sugar plantation owners. We overthrew the government in Honduras to benefit the United Fruit Company.

If you want to talk "global economy", what was the Dutch East India Company if not a global operation.

This country is here because an Italian sailing from Spain thought he could get to India faster.

The Triangle Trade was global.

From the Silk Road to the Spice Road and up to today, the economy has ALWAYS been global and always should be.

Some people profit, some people lose. That's just the way it is. The new part is governments intervening on some companies behalf and not on others.
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Re: 70% of GM not made in USA

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:23 pm

When they did away with the import & export tariffs & fees along with the large alcohol tax & replaced it with an income tax in order to open foreign trade. We need a global market but on a equal footing instead of using satellite operations to hide profits off shore, before that investment & growth was how Co.s made their tax write-offs & everyone won.
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