The cold snap hit my coal hard.

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:22 am

First year burning coal at this house so I haven't built a coal bin,....yet. I'm still burning the last of the first three tons we got in October. Not bad Consumption. I will need at least two more tons. I ordered a delivery 10 days ago. Supposed to be delivered today but they just called and asked if tomorrow would work. I said sure. I have at least a weeks worth left. Apparently, with the cold weather, the coal supplier has lots of customers who ran out of coal. Not the suppliers fault. After I know how much coal this house burns in a winter, a coal bin will be designed and built to hold that amount,....and a bit more,.....we'll, not a "Bit" more,.....an anthracite more. Lol!
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:27 am

JimD wrote:Have you ever had anyone quote you on blowing in insulation in the walls? or new windows or something... in the long run it may pay ! sounds like you go through a whole heck of an amount of fuel dollars each year !! :?:

Blown insulation is a no go with a plank style house. Boards are placed on a 45 degree angle with 1 to 1/2 inch gaps between the boards. Strongest stick frame houses ever built, but hard to heat or insulate.
The new windows and siding for the house are in my garage right now, just awaiting springtime.
SMITTY's idea of spray foam insulation is probably the way to go, but the cloth wiring should probably be addressed first.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous. Labeled as 'Big Vein', about the size of acorns. Makes a lot of ash, but heats well and lasts longer than my previous coal.

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: kstills On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:33 am

SMITTY wrote:Closed cell spray foam is the way to go ... but boy it it EXPENSIVE!! It's an R-7 per INCH though - can't beat that!

Yeah we'd be paying about $4,500 per season to heat with oil, all while freezing our asses off at 58°. NO THANKS!! ;)


Word.

Did that for two winters (50F in the house supplementing living spaces with electric heaters) before I switched over to coal. At 50F, I was using ~1800 in oil and electric a year (plus 300 for DHW), this year at 71F I'll use ~1600 in coal. :)
kstills
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: WL 110
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line


Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:01 pm

I have gone through roughly 400 lbs. in 9 days and I wouldn't care if it was 800 lbs. My fellow Americans are the store keepers! Bought windows made in Maine, a Maine co. insulated my attic, and next I am going to spray foam the one inch air space between the cinder block and the sheet rock. Stay warm friends!
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: LDPosse On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:15 pm

492 lbs of coal since Jan 1. Used a little bit of bit, but the stove needed to be tended too often during the cold snap without the use of the hopper.

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LDPosse
 
Stove/Furnace Make: DS Machine
Stove/Furnace Model: DS1500, Kozy King 100

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: JimD On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:23 pm

Great spreadsheet. Do you actually weigh the coal each day? I approximate by the bag but myself being a techy guy may put it in on the phone with a spreadsheet too. Cool
JimD
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Rare Crane Coal Cooker # 88. And pot bellied coal stove
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut coal

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:36 pm

JimD wrote:Great spreadsheet. Do you actually weigh the coal each day? I approximate by the bag but myself being a techy guy may put it in on the phone with a spreadsheet too. Cool


Wow and I thought I had too much time on my hands!! God bless ya!! I just dump it in until it looks good, some days its 2 bags some it's a little more, some a little less. I wish I had your patients.
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: LDPosse On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:41 pm

JimD wrote:Great spreadsheet. Do you actually weigh the coal each day? I approximate by the bag but myself being a techy guy may put it in on the phone with a spreadsheet too. Cool



I have an old bathroom scale I use to weigh my coal every day. Having it on my phone makes it easy to enter the info on the spot. I'm up to 2884 lbs since Oct 10, when I started the stove.
LDPosse
 
Stove/Furnace Make: DS Machine
Stove/Furnace Model: DS1500, Kozy King 100

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:13 pm

SWPaDon wrote:I put 1200 lbs. of coal in the basement on Saturday afternoon. As of Wednesday evening I had used all of that 1200 lbs. and then some. :shock: That's some serious shoveling into a Clayton.
How much have others used?


Where are you from? That's as much as I burn all year. Well, maybe not this year but still. Lisa
lowfog01
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Mark II & Mark I

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: jimg On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:16 pm

SWPaDon wrote:
JimD wrote:Have you ever had anyone quote you on blowing in insulation in the walls? or new windows or something... in the long run it may pay ! sounds like you go through a whole heck of an amount of fuel dollars each year !! :?:

Blown insulation is a no go with a plank style house. Boards are placed on a 45 degree angle with 1 to 1/2 inch gaps between the boards. Strongest stick frame houses ever built, but hard to heat or insulate.
The new windows and siding for the house are in my garage right now, just awaiting springtime.
SMITTY's idea of spray foam insulation is probably the way to go, but the cloth wiring should probably be addressed first.


I don't know if it is an option for you time or money-wise, but I have a large very old vertical plank sided farmhouse. Clapboard, nailed to the planks on the outside, strips and lathe nailed to the inside of the planks and horsehair plaster applied to the lathe... When I was a kid (same house I grew up in) we literally went through a ton of coal a week during the winter. Of course I remember it being $18 per ton back then. Since I purchased the house many weatherization improvements were made and now generally < 1 ton per month during the winter including DHW and much more comfortable.

The pertinent improvement here is that for every outside wall I built a false 2X4 wall and set it away from the old wall by about 2 inches. Then insulated the walls with 6 inches of fiberglass, drywall, reframe window and door openings etc. At the same time everything was rewired and we finally had more than one or at most two outlets per room... Not really that expensive if you do it yourself but time consuming and you do loose a few square feet although you end up with nice deep window sills.

Jim
jimg
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520 Highboy
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warm Morning in garage
Coal Size/Type: Rice for EFM and Stove/Nut for

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:31 pm

I used about 240 pounds of coal across Monday Tuesday and Wednesday plus ran the wood pellets on the other side of the house. Used about 60 pounds of wood pellets.

Low of -15 and didn't get above 5 degrees for about 36 of those hours.
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:28 pm

lowfog01 wrote:
SWPaDon wrote:I put 1200 lbs. of coal in the basement on Saturday afternoon. As of Wednesday evening I had used all of that 1200 lbs. and then some. :shock: That's some serious shoveling into a Clayton.
How much have others used?


Where are you from? That's as much as I burn all year. Well, maybe not this year but still. Lisa

I'm in Southwest Pa.

I was down to -15, with a windchill of -49.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous. Labeled as 'Big Vein', about the size of acorns. Makes a lot of ash, but heats well and lasts longer than my previous coal.

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:30 pm

I just topped off, and I've added 701 lbs. of coal to the Coal Gun so far this month (of which roughly 40 lbs. have gone to DHW, with the rest for heat). That's almost 78 lbs. per day.

441 HDD's to date.
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lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:32 pm

jimg wrote:
I don't know if it is an option for you time or money-wise, but I have a large very old vertical plank sided farmhouse. Clapboard, nailed to the planks on the outside, strips and lathe nailed to the inside of the planks and horsehair plaster applied to the lathe... When I was a kid (same house I grew up in) we literally went through a ton of coal a week during the winter. Of course I remember it being $18 per ton back then. Since I purchased the house many weatherization improvements were made and now generally < 1 ton per month during the winter including DHW and much more comfortable.

The pertinent improvement here is that for every outside wall I built a false 2X4 wall and set it away from the old wall by about 2 inches. Then insulated the walls with 6 inches of fiberglass, drywall, reframe window and door openings etc. At the same time everything was rewired and we finally had more than one or at most two outlets per room... Not really that expensive if you do it yourself but time consuming and you do loose a few square feet although you end up with nice deep window sills.

Jim

That thought has crossed my mind, and may be the route I need to take. The biggest problem will be the staircase, it is on an outside wall.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous. Labeled as 'Big Vein', about the size of acorns. Makes a lot of ash, but heats well and lasts longer than my previous coal.

Re: The cold snap hit my coal hard.

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:49 pm

The funniest (or most idiotic, or most stupid, ... depending on my mood) thing happened to me during the cold snap. My house shrank. :shock: I've thought it was 1,680 Sq-Ft since we moved into it nearly 13 years ago. I finally got around to carefully measuring things (every room, plus my linear feet of hot water baseboards per room and per zone) and lo and behold the house is only 1,480 Sq-Ft per floor.

If our title actually says 1,680 Sq-Ft and we've been paying property taxes based on that, do you think a cumulative 13 year property tax rebate is in store for us? Got to dig it out and have a look.

Aside from that, we did experience a few "frost quakes" when it was dropping toward -12 degrees. Anyone else have them? Never heard of them knocking 200 Sq-Ft off of a house...
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)