Heavy Duty Truck purchase

Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:03 pm

I forgot about the Damned DPF,and also an EGR? I'm thinking a 5.9Cummins or forget it.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:06 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:If aftermarket can happen,it will. Market responding to Guys that are sick and tired of garbage should occur if sheet metal can be legally made. Licenses,Patents and the like could hold that up. Frames not rusting out will be the biggest item to start with. I'm surprised Smit's aint all over this one ! :lol:


I guess you never heard about the EPA crackdown on diesel tuners. The EPA literal shut down "for off road use only" tuners that allowed you to remove the offending emissions equipment to make your $50,000 investment perform as it should. I don't mean perform like hot rod, I mean perform like reliable.

The company that made black max tuners was sued by the EPA. I'm sure there are others...

Some of the new computers can't even be "cracked"
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:09 pm

Why is it whenever things are improving on their own evolution the government comes along to screw it up. Especially EPA. :mad:
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:17 pm

Flyer5 wrote:Why is it whenever things are improving on their own evolution the government comes along to screw it up. Especially EPA. :mad:


As far as I'm concerned the EPA has destroyed all industry in this country. And just think...all they ever were is " a special interest group".
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Mark (PA) On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:49 pm

I'm not opposed to looking at PRE 2007 trucks as some guys have mentioned. It was an assumption that the older the trucks of course the more other wear items you'd be into $$$ wise sooner. Front ends U joints etc.

Yes 2007 was the year that ALL diesel engines had the emissions regulations on them.

The 6.7 ford that came out in 2011 is amazingly quiet. MPG seems decent by most accounts however they still have had some issues with the engines etc. Its 2nd variation will be in 2015.. but that is out of my range anyway.

I don't know alot about the 6.7 dodge which is in its 2nd or 3rd variation since 2007 I believe. Have heard it is getting better over time but.. who knows.

If I do get a PRE 2007 emissions truck it will be a duramax or Cummins period. The fords during that time had issues. not that you can't fix those issues but I will be into a payment enough that I don't feel like putting 1000's more into it etc.

Thanks for the input folks
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:59 pm

Mark (PA) wrote:If I do get a PRE 2007 emissions truck it will be a duramax or Cummins period. The fords during that time had issues. not that you can't fix those issues but I will be into a payment enough that I don't feel like putting 1000's more into it etc.

Thanks for the input folks


I agree and it's a shame,

Ford had the worst engine ever put in a truck (6.0), but the best truck that was available at the time.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Kennebago On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:06 pm

I have a 2001 Dodge with Cummins. Engine was worked a bit about 10 years ago but nothing drastic. Also added things like brake lock, beefed up suspension, etc. Easily tows my equipment trailer with 6 to 7 tons of stuff. Many trips over 1000 miles round trip. Third diesel I've owned (dodge and ford before) Newest diesel, best diesel, last diesel. EPA has screwed the pooch with all the regs. I thought about another truck, but why? New would be prettier, but at my age I dont need a chick magnet.....need a place where the dog feels comfortable. If you are planning on plowing snow be careful what you buy. Lots of issues with new trucks and snowplows.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:17 pm

These guys got it right. http://dieselconversion.com/
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:33 pm

Thanx ! I bookmarked that Puppy for future reference ! :up:
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:14 am

Lots of the v8 gas engines are doing 300k+,conservative tuneup every 75k,diesels are still best left for the ag/cons/big rigs,& now epa even has them screwed up.Buy a gas powered truck,maintain it,if body outlasts the engine you can probably find a good used gas from salvage yard to go a few more years.OR buy 3 horses & big buggy :) epa aint regulating them yet :shh:
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:24 am

Yeah, as has been mentioned, I'd stay the hell away from anything built within the last 5 years. Emissions have turned the once reliable and fuel efficient diesels into expensive, fuel guzzling, unreliable pieces of *censored*.

My father bought an '09 GMC 2500HD with the Duramax for hauling the 21' Seafox and a 28' fifth-wheel camper. Every single time we tried to go fishing down the Cape, the thing would go into LIMP MODE on the highway, and wouldn't get out of it's own way!! Friggin dangerous, and VERY AGGRAVATING!! There was no way to service the DPF yourself - all completely enclosed and welded to the exhaust pipe. A trip to the dealer cost him $200 every time .... and this happened AT LEAST once a month!!

Finally he got so pissed off he finally took our advice, and brought it to the diesel performance shop. They installed an older OEM exhaust system, and tuned out that stupid assed DPF. Gained 3 mpg, and saved $200 a month at the dealer. NOW ... keep in mind this is an '09 - the new ones are even WORSE!! In addition to that stupid filter, you have a UREA tank, which itself costs $6 a gallon or so. Run out of fluid, and your in limp mode yet again. AND, to top it all off, there is no way to get around any of this crap at the performance place. If you try and tune it out, it won't run. :mad: :mad: The new tractors (as in tractor-trailer) will SHUT DOWN and leave you stuck on the side of the highway if you run out of urea!!! :shock:

If it were me, I'd get on eBay, or pick a town down south and get their local classifieds. Well worth the fuel and time to buy an older one rust-free down there, and bring it up north. You save on insurance and taxes because of it's age, and just as important, you save your SANITY.

Just my .02 - don't say I didn't warn ya!!
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: NJJoe On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:47 am

Man what an informative thread to read. I'm also considering a diesel truck for hauling, snowplow etc... duties and I think I'll wait a few years before buying a diesel for these issues to hopefully iron themselves out. I have faith in the aftermarket crowd to design something to defeat the computer controls and bypass many of these cumbersome restrictions. Just give it some time and a solution will appear...
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:50 am

......or out west, or southwest. May have lots of miles, so watch the trade off. Front end work, tranny, rear end. No easy way out of this dilemma, and ALL roads are expensive. Those boys from the south have not forgotten 1860-1865, and probably never will. Make sure to dilate your pupils before you go...you want all the 'LIGHT' you can get. It will be painful for a few days, but the years you have to deal with the slickster's vehicle will really hurt!. I owned a 1980 Chevy V8 diesel.......excellence in engineering personified. 33 years later, I wouldn't take the gift of one from GM....7.3 is a good power plant, 6.0 boat anchor if you plan on keeping it. Good truck, bad motor. Dodge.....body woes, trans woes, nice power plant. We will see if Pete Banks and the folks at VM can make something happen. Mercers were terrific back in the day, and the Blue Tec series are very nice. What ever happened to the 'KISS' school of engineering, anyway? Common rail, high pressure injection systems, no F***ing DIF, reburn...for gawds sake! Look at the latest 'tier' of construction equipment power plants'. They call him or her a mechanic, but the Laptop is the REAL brains now. Government motors won't be making anything bigger than a 3500.....rumor has it Navistar will be making all that stuff. Smitty, we need a time machine to escape this rat race for a couple months EVERY couple months. I was in VT the other day and saw a bike under a blanket, then another one. An inline 6 cylinder Honda, 1640 miles...original. The other was a 6 cylinder Kawasaki, Voyager I think they were called, and further back an Ariel square 4.....holy history!!!!!! In line Isusu 4 and 6's....bring them on...easy to work on, ONE turbo, not 4, cheap to own, cheap to service...WTF!!!
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:22 pm

F450 with a V10 gas and 6 speed manual is a sweet truck.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:38 pm

I nearly bought a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 extended cab with under 50,000 miles on it last year. It even had the 10 cylinder gas engine but the mileage would have been 10 mpg highway. Even driving just 9,000 miles per year like me, the fuel would cost $ 4,000 annually.
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