Heavy Duty Truck purchase

Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Mark (PA) On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:14 pm

Hello folks.

I have been doing some homework on a heavy duty pickup purchase for awhile now. Planning to buy in about 3 months or so. I am interested in any opinions or real world experience anyone may have had with newer Heavy Duty Diesel pickups. I am not brand driven. I am open to any of them. Based on my research I am leaning more toward Dodge and Ford.

I will be buying lightly used. I can't see dropping the asking price on these trucks when you can save some serious cash when buying with some miles on them.

Will be 3/4 or 1 ton truck with a Crew cab and Diesel Engine.

Considering Ford and Dodge newer than 2011 with the 6.7 engines.
Chevy/GMC... Honestly I am not a fan of their interiors so its probably not gonna be a GM product.

If anyone out there has one of these trucks and can offer any specific likes/dislikes with these models I would appreciate your input!
Thank you
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:31 pm

The New DEF crap ruined diesels. Just my opinion. Friend bought a bran spakin new ford f250 diesel, had the def system removed new exhaust and intake and had to install a programmer. This VOIDED every single warranty for his truck. Crazy nonsense. He has an awesome and powerful pickup, a very expensive pickup.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:34 pm

What do you intend to do with the truck? i.e. Tow x pounds for y miles per year.

Does it have to be diesel? The modern emission regs. have reduced the economy (and ROI) of the diesel option.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: buffalo bob On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:50 pm

i have a 02 chev diesel that is a power house..put a excel? chip in it wow did that ever bring the power up. kn air filter. and 4" exhaust. empty it gets 21 mpg.. pulling my 31ft. cougar fith wheel it gets 14mpg.made it here from talledaga ala. in 12 and half hrs so u can see i wasn't babying it..hard to beat the duramax diesel.. also they are quieter than the other two.and its NOT for sale!!!
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:51 pm

When did the various makes of trucks get the particulate filters and diesel-exhaust-fluid system? 2011?
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:30 pm

2011 seems right,Rob. Came to the conclusion long ago that I'm not playing the EPA's Game. Along with that,not spending on the junk the Big 3 have been putting out, Shouldn't need expensive exhaust,operating chips and programmer mods to get the power and mileage that should've rolled out the Plant Door. Going back to pre EGR dated units,and start the rebuild from there. Same goes for gas jobs. Enough already. Guys are spending 35 to 50+K on living rooms on wheels. Very low substance,prone to breakdowns,injector troubles and typical low bid parts composing the entire vehicle,especially transmissions. You're better off getting a clean Southern or Western Unit and rebuild the Beef right into it. Screw your supposed warranties too. The Stealership can't wait to see You and have you make yourself a Victim.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Berlin On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:11 pm

If you wanted a '99 to '03 7.3 diesel pickup, I'd say go for it. But a new diesel pickup? no way. Go gas, doesn't matter the brand, but I'd stay away from ford's eco boost if you plan on keeping the truck a while.

My nephue has a fleet of 7.3 powered trucks running around Texas and louisiana for his oil field services company hauling 20K+lbs every day, most have hundreds of thousands of miles on them. When he blew an engine due to it dropping a valve and somehow taking out bearings on his personal (not work) diesel truck (2011 I believe) ford diesel, less than 20k miles or so, and ford fought with him (lawyer etc.) over warrenty, he's refused to spend money on any new diesel again. I agree with him.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: skobydog On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:19 pm

Berlin wrote: I'd stay away from ford's eco boost if you plan on keeping the truck a while.



Why do you say to stay away from the eco boost? My friend is picking a new F150 tomorrow. He told me it had twin turbos. Personally I don't know anything about them I was just wondering.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: mmcoal On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:30 pm

I came from a family that has owned many diesels and as nice as they can be you better hope you never have to do any major repairs on them. Like mentioned, the new emission regs. are only adding the expense of owning them. Buffalo Bob is right about the Duramax being quiet, but they all are now, the new 6.7 Powerstroke sounds just like a Duramax and idles SUPER quiet. All in all I like my 6.0 gasser, just wish GM had solid front axles on the 4x4. My 6.0 is right out in the open and isn't half way under the cab like Ford and actually looks pretty simple to work on.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: rubicondave33 On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:54 pm

I drive a 3/4 ton Dodge gasser. 350 with 4.56 gears. I trailer my Jeep with it. The big trip is from PA to Moab, UT every year. I average about 10mpg while hauling, which I don't think is too awful considering what diesel fuel costs per gallon, plus the maintenance costs. Just my .02 :D
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:02 pm

Berlin wrote:If you wanted a '99 to '03 7.3 diesel pickup, I'd say go for it. But a new diesel pickup? no way. .


The problem is finding them now at a decent price now. Those trucks are more expensive than the 03-07 6.0's by a lot of money. I've been looking for the last 6 months for a decent truck and can't find anything that's not wicked expensive. I have an 01 extended cab with the 7.3 that I paid 15K for in 07. Trucks like mine are 20K now in the same condition/mileage as mine was when I bought it. If mine wasn't rusting in half I would keep it but that's not the case.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:12 pm

I have never been much of a Dodge fan but I have to say that I love my 2004 Ram 2500 with the Cummins engine. Its very easy to work on its comfortable and has been reliable. I always liked Ford until the 6.0. Now with all this emission crap and the price tag they can keep the new ones. I can see a whole market growing with new aftermarket bodies for these old engines and drive trains.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:22 pm

If aftermarket can happen,it will. Market responding to Guys that are sick and tired of garbage should occur if sheet metal can be legally made. Licenses,Patents and the like could hold that up. Frames not rusting out will be the biggest item to start with. I'm surprised Smit's aint all over this one ! :lol:
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:37 pm

The Cummins Diesel engine is legendary and found in vehicles from bulldozers to submarines. Any engine today, whether it's gas or diesel, will most likely outlive the vehicle it's in.
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Re: Heavy Duty Truck purchase

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:56 pm

I'd steer clear of a semi new diesel today.

I currently own and drive a:

1997 F350, 7.3 PSD XLT, auto, 4:11, 4x4 268k miles
Awesome truck with all of the attributes that made diesel trucks worth buying.
Great fuel economy
Great power
Longevity
Reliability

I also have a:
2007 Dodge Ram 3500, 6.7 emissions engine, 6speed manual 3:73 4x4 33k miles
Everything about this truck makes me regret buying it
Horrible fuel economy
Great power
Longevity is yet to be seen :?:
Reliability: the emissions system puts a wicked damper on the engines ability to be reliable. My turbo has clogged causing the truck to be in the shop for $800 repair bills. Cant idle the truck for fear of clogging the DPF. What am I to do when it's cold outside?
Clutch slips even with the truck empty!
Leaks water inside too. I know this has nothing to do with the diesel emissions but figured I'd mention it cause it pisses me off.

I have also noticed that dodge is now offering a gas motor in the HD trucks. I think it's due to the $60,000 price tags that come with them. Take the eight thousand dollar Diesel engine option away to make it more affordable. You can buy a lot of gas for eight large

And to answer when?
January 1, 2007 was the date mandated by the EPA to carry a DPF. The manufactures know its shitty technology, that's why newer ones have urea now. :roll: good idea...burn more fuel to lower emissions WTF?
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