Welfare Pays..

Re: Welfare Pays..

PostBy: Davian On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:08 pm

Private prisons and the privatization of the prison industry was one of the dumber decisions state gov'ts have made in the past 20-30 years.
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Re: Welfare Pays..

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:46 pm

Jpete, you read but don't retain so let me make a point the other way, how many Portugal's would fit into the US? The bigger the area & population the bigger the problem.
And Davian I know for sure there are many high drivers now so would it be safer to have more? As I said most places I know of have designated areas.
Do either or both of you think selling illegal drugs will stop simply because drugs can now be bought legally? I would wait & see how the pot thing works out before jumping into legalizing everything. Health issues are one thing but recreation is another & then again for being against bigger Gov. are you going to trust big business? Just asking.
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Re: Welfare Pays..

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:51 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, you read but don't retain so let me make a point the other way, how many Portugal's would fit into the US? The bigger the area & population the bigger the problem.



Good lord I knew you were going to make that simplistic argument.

samhill wrote: then again for being against bigger Gov. are you going to trust big business? Just asking.


I don't know, which one can put me into a for profit prison at the point of a gun?

Which one extracts more tax money to pay for the militarization of the police force?

Your answer doesn't work Sam. It has never worked and it never will.
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Re: Welfare Pays..

PostBy: Davian On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:58 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, you read but don't retain so let me make a point the other way, how many Portugal's would fit into the US? The bigger the area & population the bigger the problem.
And Davian I know for sure there are many high drivers now so would it be safer to have more? As I said most places I know of have designated areas.
Do either or both of you think selling illegal drugs will stop simply because drugs can now be bought legally? I would wait & see how the pot thing works out before jumping into legalizing everything. Health issues are one thing but recreation is another & then again for being against bigger Gov. are you going to trust big business? Just asking.


Yes, it likely would...just like ending Prohibition largely eliminated any bootlegging or moonshine operations. Yes, idiots still make moonshine but its at minuscule levels compared to the levels that occurred during prohibition. The same thing will happen when marijuana is legalized nationwide (and that day is coming fast) and it would be the same with the others.

Also, after the vanity wears off, legalization isn't going to massively change the number of overall users. Would you go inject heroin if it was suddenly legal? I wouldnt and I doubt you would.

There's also the issue of people never using heroin will gladly munch on handfuls of oxycodone and oxycotin because those are "prescription drugs" and therefore safe. Just like the people that snort their adderall pills because those are "safe"...even though chemically, they are nearly the same as speed/amphetamines. Then they get massively addicted and cant afford the cost of oxy (which has a very high street value) and turn to the nice cheap heroin as they're already opiate addicts and by that point they simply don't care. Selective legalization and selective demonization of certain drugs is a failed policy.
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Re: Welfare Pays..

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:08 am

Jpete, I think you would even agree that big business & Gov. are one & the same especially now that someone uses them "for profit" & it's been proven that young men are sent to them "for profit".
Davian, what's your point those addictive expensive drugs that turn people to cheaper illegal drugs aren't going (to my knowledge) be included in legal recreational drugs & seeing that it's the Gov. that is going to profit from this all do you really think those drugs are going to be made affordable? Have you checked the prices they are getting for the legal pot, me thinks once those people in line run out of their welfare $ they will start looking elsewhere & my guess is they are going to have to add munchies to the list of things you can buy for food stamps. For those not on the public dole brings up my point, do you want to be working with people that are high or dependent on some type of service from them?
All I'm trying to say is that every action is the direct cause for other possible undesirable actions.
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Re: Welfare Pays..

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:17 pm

samhill wrote:All I'm trying to say is that every action is the direct cause for other possible undesirable actions.


Yes. An keeping drugs illegal led to the rise of the cartels like Prohibition led to the Mafia.

I read the other day that Pablo Escobar was spending $2500 PER WEEK on rubber bands to wrap all his money!!!!

I wonder how much of that money went to pay off U.S. LEO's and other public officials to guarantee the supply never dried up???
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Re: Welfare Pays..

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:58 pm

As long as drugs are illegal there will be much corruption in the courts and some leo's. Plus the killing that goes on between drug lords and everything around them.

Then again if they are made legal than how will the cia fund there black op's.. what a dilemma.. :|
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