CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: 009to090 On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:41 am

Guys, I am getting frustrated with our local garage. I hate farming out car work for things I can do, but I have been letting my wife take her car to the local garage this past year, because I no longer have the time to do the repairs myself, and I no longer have a garage to work in.
Earlier last year, she noticed a strong Oder of burning oil, whenever she stopped her 2004 Subaru Outback. I lifted the hood, but could not find any oil leak. Since I cannot get under the car, I just told her to take it to the local garage. It needed oil & antifreeze change, and 4 new tires anyway. They inspected the car and told her it was a torn boot on the right front CV shaft. Only $150 to replace the entire shaft, so I said go ahead. I had replaced the CV shaft on her old car, so I know it is easy and an alignment was not necessary.
Well, they said they had "difficulty" getting the old shaft out, but they got it done, and installed my 4 new tires at same time.
Now, 20,000 miles later on new Quality tires, I just noticed the right front tire is bald. I can still see the tread pattern, but not enough tread left to measure. I told my wife to take it back to the garage and let them figure it out. Of course, the garage says "its a defective tire". Removes all their liability.
They also say the LEFT CV shaft boot is torn now, and that needs replacing too! So I gotta order 2 new tires for the front, and let them replace the left-side CV shaft. :mad:
Once we get the car back, I am taking it to another garage to have the alignment checked.

Question is, Although the Service manual does not state an alignment is needed after replacing the CV shaft, should I have done it anyway? I am thnking the mechanic may have unscrewed the tie rod to drop the spindle, instead of unbolting it at the end, and messed up the alignment.
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am

Sounds like that's what happened. I know on GM's, you gotta knock out either the lower or upper (usually the upper- much easier) ball joint out of the knuckle to do a CV swap - even using all the same components, it always throws the alignment off a tiny bit. That's all it takes, especially after 20k miles.

You now see the reason I refuse to let anyone touch my vehicles. It's always something - either screwing up the repair ... or finding 100 other things to make money on that really didn't need replacing to begin with. :x

That was what pushed me to buy a new vehicle back in '07 - was just so sick and tired of dealing with cars, house, and everything else in between working 60+ hours a week. What an idiot I am! I STILL had to fix the new vehicle!! :mad:
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:54 am

Don't know that i would question whether or not on the alignment,but i see no mention of tire rotation in the 20k those tires were on,not unusual to see the right front wear out in that mileage frame as it is the primary driver on any front wheel drive based vehicle,i like to see tires rotated front to rear every 6-10k max for max wear & equally even wear on all 4 tires,would not hurt to get alignment done when the left axle is replaced as it should be awhile till front needs to be disturbed again.
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:20 am

I usually just pop the lower ball joint, outer tie rod end and stabilizer bar link to do the CV shaft replacement. Doesn't usually affect the alignment. But I always recommend an alignment afterwards to the vehicle owner. Better to be safe than sorry as in your case.

I don't like to do anything to the front end suspension of a vehicle without an alignment. Liability issues are no longer on my end after checking the alignment.......




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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:34 am

It gets worse...you should not run tires with 20,000 miles difference in wear on the front and back of that all wheel drive Subaru, it is tough on the transfer case (center differential? I forget what Subaru calls it). People probably do it all the time, but I figured I would mention it.
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: 009to090 On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:59 am

I thought about that, but after doing the math, we know there was less than 10k put on all 4 new tires. Right front is bald after less than 10k! :mad:
I already bought 2 new tires from Tire Rack. They deliver in less than 24 hours. :D
Alignment is definitely scheduled this time.


Rob R. wrote:It gets worse...you should not run tires with 20,000 miles difference in wear on the front and back of that all wheel drive Subaru, it is tough on the transfer case (center differential? I forget what Subaru calls it). People probably do it all the time, but I figured I would mention it.
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: Sting On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:39 am

009to090 wrote: I had replaced the CV shaft on her old car, so I know it is easy and an alignment was not necessary.
I am thnking the mechanic may have unscrewed the tie rod to drop the spindle, instead of unbolting it at the end, and messed up the alignment.


This is no different than the guy posting that his lowest bid on his wet system install is poor
You post that "YOU" know an alignment was not necessary = so if the mechanic had suggested it ??? would you have paid for it???

second -- if the mechanic had done "as your thinking" the toe in or out [ a critical wheel alignment setting] would have been off enough that your steering wheel would not have been straight in your hands --- and BOTH front wheels would have worn incorrectly - plus the car would have "hunted" constantly left or right as you drove straight down the road

Many folks are apprehensive about asking if they car needs further service than what is immediately necessary - but you NEVER install new tires without doing a Four Wheel alignment and wheel balance

If he says the tire is junk - buy a new one - if you had paid attention to your new tires, you would have noticed that one was going south long ago and [caught in time] it may have been replaced at minimal cost. But like so many - we put in our own gas and ignore the rest.

Kind Regards
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:12 am

Wow Sting,that stings,but i agree completely with your blunt assessment,i'm just wondering if UPS will deliver a front-end alignment with those tire rack tires?? I run a small business & my pet peeve is those who never support the local businesses because it is supposedly cheaper from internet or some far away place ,which in turn cuts sales tax revenue & local economic boost.I think we all can learn from this,as we should be more pro-active in monitoring our own equipment for issues,(the mechanic aint riding in our wheel wells to watch &adjust continually).I would also question the "Quality" tires mentioned,as in the Moen faucet sold at Plumbing supply store is built different than same model sold at Lowes. I have discontinued installing customer supplied parts to prevent this kind of scenario ,i install quality parts,if there is a problem I've got my supplier to back me.Hopefully everything gets resolved & many more miles till any further issues. :)
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:15 am

I buy all my tires at Tire Rack. Much less hassle than buying locally. Trust me on that one! This is Massachusetts ... :roll:
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:27 am

But you probably install them yourself too,or do you take them to your local garage & say "here install these tires i bought somewhere else so your shop can't make any money selling me tires,but i can't install them myself,figured i'd give your shop the install business",it bites me every time because if anything goes wrong with customer supplied parts it is always my fault. I can't call tire rack & tell them a tire from them is defective,& even if the customer called them it would not be tie racks problem but something i did wrong!!
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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:35 am

I've had ONE defective tire in 6 years out of probably 30 sets of 4 that was defective. They took it right back, no questions asked, and had another tire in my hand less than 12 hours later. Their customer service is second to NONE.

Yeah, I install them myself. Like I said, I trust NO ONE with my vehicles .... because EVERY SINGLE TIME someone else works on one, it gets frigged up. EVERY time. :roll:

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Re: CV Shaft Replaced - tire now bald

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:48 am

Smitty,your changer is a bit newer than my Coats 40-40A,but i don't use mine alot anymore,basically just for personal use.I used to do ALL my vehicle repair work but this newer stuff has gotten so complicated & requires so many specialty tools,i even paid a shop :oops: to change the spark plugs in 99 f250SD .5.4 with the buried plugs. :mad:
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