47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:17 am

Richard S. wrote:
anthony7812 wrote:This entire subject scared the bejesus outta me. So I grabbed it by the horn and did something about it. I'm the guy who programs and fixes the automated equipment. ;) learning and working in the field let me tell you, the whole idea of automation fixing itself is abunch of ccccrap! It may autotune to temporally fix the issue but let me tell ya we are soooo many decades of a autovalve or solenoid fixing itself. So far I have never witnessed a prox switch change itself out lol. His geared more towards manufacturing so may not apply to all job fields. Like office workers, ever see what SAP can do???? I have watched that company eliminate lots of office jobs.


That's how things are now but that's not how they are going to stay, the inevitable march of progress can't be stopped.


I very so much agree, but not in any of our lifetimes. Its a scary fact how much will change but Not for a long long time. Costs too high and trust me this country doesnt have enough Technically Skilled Labor to make it happen... yet. Alot of bright people out thier, just not enough.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:23 am

Flyer5 wrote:... I rebuilt and upgraded an old CNC mill. Now I have it drilling doors and other pieces … ( the old owner) had a Chinese distributor give him a price on grates already drilled cheaper than he could buy the blank grates locally. He chose to stay American ... we can compete using an American product and quality against buying from China. Mostly because of automation.

A wonderful example of the up side of automation. The down side is, the American who might have been drilling grates and doors for you does not have a job, but he still has to eat. Nor does the Chinese guy have a job drilling, or programming a machine, and he still has to eat. What is the solution?

The end of employment has been predicted since the industrial revolution began, and has not happened yet. Maybe this time is not fundamentally different from the past. We can hope so.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:34 am

rberq wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:... I rebuilt and upgraded an old CNC mill. Now I have it drilling doors and other pieces … ( the old owner) had a Chinese distributor give him a price on grates already drilled cheaper than he could buy the blank grates locally. He chose to stay American ... we can compete using an American product and quality against buying from China. Mostly because of automation.

A wonderful example of the up side of automation. The down side is, the American who might have been drilling grates and doors for you does not have a job, but he still has to eat. Nor does the Chinese guy have a job drilling, or programming a machine, and he still has to eat. What is the solution?

The end of employment has been predicted since the industrial revolution began, and has not happened yet. Maybe this time is not fundamentally different from the past. We can hope so.




We are small enough that for us that was never a full time job for anyone. But for us and the consumer it was a cost savings. Also it eliminated the risk of a workers comp case pulling a drill press handle all day.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:42 am

Flyer5 wrote:We are small enough that for us that was never a full time job for anyone. But for us and the consumer it was a cost savings. Also it eliminated the risk of a workers comp case pulling a drill press handle all day.

No, I understand it was not a full time job, and I’m not accusing you of being a bad guy. You made the perfectly correct, rational, entrepreneurial decision for your company and for your customers. This is not a situation where anybody is to be blamed. It is just an example of a very real problem.

Here’s some of the political argument, which is also very real. I don’t know if you will be able to access this link or not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/20/opini ... inion&_r=0
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:02 pm

rberq wrote:Here’s some of the political argument, which is also very real. I don’t know if you will be able to access this link or not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/20/opini ... inion&_r=0


First government creates the problem with its meddling in the market, then discovers the problem which of course needs more government guidance.

Why not just make everyone rich by covering gambling losses and they keep the winnings, just as was done with Hillary in the futures market.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:08 pm

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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: labman On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:13 pm

Some of "Us" won't need to worry about all this, for obvious reasons ( old age). What worries me is the welfare of my children, and my granddaughter especially! Think what this all looks like to her at 17yrs. old? But I guess it isn't any different than it was for us 50+ yrs. ago. We were used to the Vietnam War, Cuban Missile Crises, Riots, etc. Oh wait! Sounds just like today! In all reality, little has changed? Just the media and low life politicians( is there any difference in the two?)serving their own agenda's.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: mmcoal On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:22 pm

I know many will disagree with me, but I honestly believe that our current recession is going to be a big game changer that no one can accurately predict. We are all basing future speculation off of history repeating itself and our current direction, but I believe we will experience something never before seen. We might have gotten to a point where the mold might need to be broken,a step back and a slow down might need to take place. The stagnant state of our salaries, artificially low interest rates, record high unemployment, the "still" ridiculous housing prices, abnormal acceleration of inflation is more than likely going to give way to a revolution more than continue on some super robotic future pathway. Obviously this is all my opinion, but it is one I strongly believe in.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:29 pm

mmcoal wrote:I know many will disagree with me, but I honestly believe that our current recession is going to be a big game changer that no one can accurately predict. We are all basing future speculation off of history repeating itself and our current direction, but I believe we will experience something never before seen. We might have gotten to a point where the mold might need to be broken,a step back and a slow down might need to take place. The stagnant state of our salaries, artificially low interest rates, record high unemployment, the "still" ridiculous housing prices, abnormal acceleration of inflation is more than likely going to give way to a revolution more than continue on some super robotic future pathway. Obviously this is all my opinion, but it is one I strongly believe in.



I agree unfortunately. Except I hope we do not see a violent revolution. Although I think that will be impossible. For now we just try to survive what we have to do.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:23 pm

I read a book called "The End of Work" back in 1994.

I'm still waiting. :D

http://www.amazon.com/The-End-Work-Jere ... nd+of+work
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:47 pm

US Army considers replacing thousands of troops with robots:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... obots.html
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:10 pm

I sense a bunch of Luddites. The dimpcraps scheme is they will tax those hard as nobody built those automated factories you had the help of bridges and sewer plants that the govt built. phkn idots.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:38 pm

Heck Isayre, one good hacker could turn your whole Army against you without even the promise of a better lubricant. Then again if we would mind our own business & quit invading countries we wouldn't need that large of a military. ;)
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:18 pm

http://lego.gizmodo.com/5022769/exclusi ... go-factory

That's a lot of LEGO's

The machines produce more than two million pieces per hour, churning incessantly into color- and bar-coded boxes. I looked around and I couldn't see many people. A woman was in one of those endless aisles looking at a few moulding machines with big "QT" signs on them. She was in charge of quality testing, making sure that the production was going perfectly.
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Re: 47% of all existing jobs will be automated by 2034

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:36 pm

samhill wrote:Heck Isayre, one good hacker could turn your whole Army against you without even the promise of a better lubricant. Then again if we would mind our own business & quit invading countries we wouldn't need that large of a military. ;)



I agree and if we do have to go into another country it will be to eliminate all possible threats. Then make a freaking resort with the newly acquired property. If countries do not want us doing this. Its simple don't piss us off and we won't do this.
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