What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:07 am

Looking to get a stick welder..for a small project. 100amp one would work well for my needs....but if I needed to do any welding (like making a new hopper since mine likes to erode it every 2 yrs) would a 100amp welder suffice?
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:24 am

MIG is the only way to go. Hobart or Lincoln make some nice 100 amp units, with flux core you can do some nice low investment work. I built a 7000 lb dump trailer with a Lincoln 100 amp machine. I now own a 140 amp with gas and still use the 100 amp with flux core for thicker work.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:39 am

Buy the biggest most expensive name brand welder that you can afford! I'm completely serious... You have duty cycles that need to be taken into consideration too.

Me, I'd buy a mig welder (220) with shielding gas. Keeps the welds cleaner and makes things look a little more professional. A flux core mig is fine for rough work on old farm equipment, duty cycle will probably be about 10% at rated capacity. That means for every one minute of welding you need to let it rest for nine minutes. I think a stick welder is just going to frustrate the heck out of a novice especially on light gauge material.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:55 am

Wanna Bee wrote:Buy the biggest most expensive name brand welder that you can afford! I'm completely serious... You have duty cycles that need to be taken into consideration too.

Me, I'd buy a mig welder (220) with shielding gas. Keeps the welds cleaner and makes things look a little more professional. A flux core mig is fine for rough work on old farm equipment, duty cycle will probably be about 10% at rated capacity. That means for every one minute of welding you need to let it rest for nine minutes. I think a stick welder is just going to frustrate the heck out of a novice especially on light gauge material.


wanna be is kinda right here as ridiculous as it sounds toothy ... if you simply have an odd job and the machine will be tucked away for 5 years ther after than a china machine from harbor freight might be OK for you.... otherwise... if you have no previous welding experience and wish to use the machine for more than one, small odd job... go with a Lincoln, Miller, Hobart and go with a a Mig welder & shielded gas. Any machine from Harbor Freight used several times a year or used for any extensive job WILL FAIL!.... and the duty cycle will leave you with NO hair left in your head!

If your hell bent on a stick machine.... get a Lincoln Tombstone (its not a 110 machine.... but its cheap enough that you can pay the lousy $150 to have an electrician throw a plug in for you ;)

You will never get near the preformence of ANY 220 machine with a 110 machine (but the Miller Cricket is about as good as a 110 mig welder gets).
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:55 am

dcrane wrote:get a Lincoln Tombstone


I have one that is 30 yrs old, still works beautifully. $50 at a garage sale. :)
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:39 am

Wanna Bee wrote: a stick welder is just going to frustrate the heck out of a novice especially on light gauge material.


You got that right! The first 30 years of my life "my welder" was a 50 amp Lincoln stick welder that my Dad gave me. As good a little stick welder as it is, it has not been used, not once, since I got a tiny, used, Chinese gas shielded MIG welder. ( I still have the Lincoln, $50 it's yours, but shipping would be a nightmare) The Chinese one will immediately be replaced with a name brand one when it dies. Until then it's just a miserable little runt that skips, overheats and frustrates me...but...it is SO superior to the little stick welder, it's crazy!

Other than that I also have a huge AC/DC Miller stick welder. It get's used when thicker stuff needs welding. DC is a wonderful thing! Now that I have that I'll never use AC again when stick welding.

PS.... I'm not a welder!
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: Dennis On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:00 am

if your welding all new steel,a mig welder is the way to go.If your welding rusty/old steel,a 220 stick welder is the way to go,if your welding outside in the wind,a stick welder is the only way to go.If you hate grinding and cleaning half hr of old steel before you need to lay a bead down,then a stick welder is the way to go.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:06 am

Dennis wrote:If you hate grinding and cleaning half hr of old steel before you need to lay a bead down,then a stick welder is the way to go.


If this is the case, you shouldn't even be welding. Welding is 90% preparation! the easy part is running the bead.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:33 am

Wanna Bee wrote:
Dennis wrote:If you hate grinding and cleaning half hr of old steel before you need to lay a bead down,then a stick welder is the way to go.


If this is the case, you shouldn't even be welding. Welding is 90% preparation! the easy part is running the bead.

I use a 40+ yr.old Lincoln 225 Amp with mainly 6011 rods & as Dennis said,lay the rod to it,done,we didn't have the time to monkey around with making it look pretty first on the farm & sometimes the grinder fitting into a spot is not even an option.Didn't have many of my welds break either ,that being said,i would not recommend this welder for DMB3 to use for the light metal he will be working on. I am no expert on all the different new welding machine options,would probably recommend a mig welder for that job as 2001 Sierra said.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: Dennis On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:37 am

Wanna Bee wrote:
Dennis wrote:If you hate grinding and cleaning half hr of old steel before you need to lay a bead down,then a stick welder is the way to go.


If this is the case, you shouldn't even be welding. Welding is 90% preparation! the easy part is running the bead.

yes, completely understand.Only comparing the extra cleaning needed for mig welding.And every weld job is completely different,especially workin on old broken/twisted/ greasy/dirty/rusty metal.Anyone can weld on new clean metal,on a table in a shop.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:03 am

A friend of mine always says " I don't know if I am a better welder or a better grinder" :lol:
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:59 am

I bought a $200 Campbell-Hausfield mig at Wal-Mart 13 years ago. No idea what the amperage is. Only time it ever shut down for exceeding the duty cycle was when I tried welding a bunch of 3/8" steel swinging targets with that little .030" wire. Thing was blazing away non-stop for a half hour, at least.

Anyway, it works great, although definitely not as smooth as a gas shielded mig. The adjustability of the bigger migs is great too. Mine is not adjustable except for wire speed. Flux core wire makes a mess too, but it wipes right off.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:14 pm

At my work we got a cheap (comparatively) Chinese Everlast welder. It can do AC/DC TIG or AC/DC stick. In my opinion TIG is the best for small items and aluminum, Its really clean but, it will get porosity if there's much rust or other junk on the metal, and stick will burn through most anything.

I would not use a flux core MIG for anything other than exhaust work, the welds have little penetration.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:23 pm

Wanna Bee wrote:
Dennis wrote:If you hate grinding and cleaning half hr of old steel before you need to lay a bead down,then a stick welder is the way to go.


If this is the case, you shouldn't even be welding. Welding is 90% preparation! the easy part is running the bead.


When possible, everything should be perfectly clean and properly clamped...but it isn't always possible. Ever try fixing stalls or stansions in a freestall barn? The 20 yrs of rust and manure on the steel makes it interesting, and if it is -20 and the cows are licking you as you weld it is pure joy... :roll:

Sometimes the repair is needed fast, and the break might be in an area tough to access with a grinder. In those cases I wire brushed it the best I could and laid down a scorching bead of 6011.

Welding in the shop is a dream compared to on-site repair in a barn or the woods.
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Re: What type stick welder is good for doing minor repairs?

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:26 am

Thanks for the input ... I think a mig welder is the way to go ... more flexible than a stick welder ... now I gotta find one ...
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