How come dealers don't....

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:45 am

MA, I agree with you. They could easily package those items as an 'installation kit' available and highly recommended for purchase. I do this with data radio equipment I sell, most buy it but some do not follow my recommendation. Based on some of the dealer advice we have seen reported here by people I think in some cases it is lack of knowledge at the dealer.
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:12 am

michaelanthony wrote:I never mentioned the word "free" just a little heads up that's all...it's not coincidence they sell chocolate dipping sauce next to the strawberries is it?
AND angel food cake.. Yummy!!

titleist1 wrote:Based on some of the dealer advice we have seen reported here by people I think in some cases it is lack of knowledge at the dealer.
I think this is a big problem too... :lol:
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:44 am

[quote="titleist1"]MA, I agree with you. They could easily package those items as an 'installation kit' available and highly recommended for purchase. I do this with data radio equipment I sell, most buy it but some do not follow my recommendation. Based on some of the dealer advice we have seen reported here by people I think in some cases it is lack of knowledge at the dealer.[/quote]

I agree the shop I buy coal from gave the me the tilted dog head look when I asked about Manometers, I have one and was willing to expand on that but there was no interest. He heats with pellets and he sells more pellet stoves than coal stoves and is pushing these new fangled useless Japanese heat pumps that can produce 18,000 btu's :shock: good for North Carolina but not Northern Maine.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace


Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:12 pm

Having been a sailboat and equipment salesman for a few years, I know it's tough enough trying to sell new owners on something that can be life threatening, without also trying to sell life jackets as part of the boat sale. :roll:

I can just see a stove salesman, . . . .

"Here's a terrific stove. It's easy to use, clean, efficient, it'll keep your family warm, and it's safe to use. Oh, by the way, here's how and where to hook up the smoke and the carbon monoxide detectors so that the stove won't kill you and your family."

Stove salesman pushing detectors ? Yeah sure ! :D


Paul
Sunny Boy
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:32 pm

Bottom line is that you are suggesting that all things be regulated and licensed. Andrew Willkow did just this subject yesterday about labor unions shutting down ALL things you do for yourself now. Like mowing the lawn. You have to store gas, you have to handle gas, you have spinning blades, need eye protection, ear protection, have to keep the motor EPA compliant, If you are driving it, that takes a license. And on and on.
The insurance co would love to hear you say that NO ONE should be allowed to install a stove, boiler, furnace, electric heater for christ sake, without a LICENSE. I can see them requiring an energy audit, telling you what fuel you WILL burn, no solid fuels at ALL. The EPA would just wet itself if they could stop wood fires and coal fires.

I agree that a good dealer could offer insight and advice about the proper tools and equipment to set up a stove of any kind. But most of them are selling stoves to people just like us, they think they already know it all! After all, I would use a barometric to burn wood! :shock: And I don't like masonry chimneys either! ;)

Kevin
KLook
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:05 pm

[quote="KLook"]

I agree that a good dealer could offer insight and advice about the proper tools and equipment to set up a stove of any kind....

Kevin[/quote]

That is the reason I posted this question!
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:26 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:"Here's a terrific stove. It's easy to use, clean, efficient, it'll keep your family warm, and it's safe to use. Oh, by the way, here's how and where to hook up the smoke and the carbon monoxide detectors so that the stove won't kill you and your family."

Sales rule #1, lets not terrorize the potential customer.. :lol:
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:53 pm

I live in anthracite land. Coal run for me into Pottsville is twenty minutes, tops. One thing you find around here is that No stove shops even have a coal stove in stock. They all want to sell you the newfangled pellet stoves... Talk about renewable this, dirty coal that. How much more efficient the pellets are. Bla bla bla bla bla.

I have a friend that heated with propane for the last ten years. Can't afford it, found out how cheap it is for me and my hand fired coal stove to heat my home. Well he went shopping for a coal stove. Guess what he ended up with? A pellet stove for... Wait for it...$3,000. A floor model none the less. According to the stove shop coal stokers are to noisy and they even had one there to prove it. I'm sure it was "tuned" to make tons of racket upon start up. It wasn't burning in the showroom... Just happened to be there to prove the superiority of the pellet stove. They also REALLY pushed the fact that he should buy his fuel from them and only them. Hmmm gets you thinking, robbed for the stove and then they want to shove it up your ass every time you need fuel. This is why they are pushing them so hard.

Salesmen are only there to separate you from your money. They don't care if you chimney has draft. If it doesn't you'll come back and they can sell you a power vent, sight unseen.

Btw: he's putting in a coal stove for next season :D
Wanna Bee
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:26 pm

Wood pellets are 25% more expensive per ton than coal where I live and produce only 2/3 the heat.. I'm sure the price is more dramatic closer to coal country.. What a crime!! :x
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:26 pm

but the money's in pellets & pellet stoves. Sell the fuel and the equpment, don't have to dispel a bunch of hearsay and myths about coal being evil, dirty, etc. Most importantly, make money - that's what they're in business to do and very few are true enthusiasts. With the few that do have interest in coal, pushing manometers, CO detectors and baro dampers not only screams complex and dangerous, but, no-one wants a stove in their living space that doesn't look "finished".
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:02 pm

Those of us that found this forum or had a friend that knew how to be successful burning coal can benefit in the demise of others selling their stoves cheap because they had a hard time keeping a fire going and staying warm....hey that sounds like the new threads we get every day and were lucky enough to find us. cha ching$$ :roll:
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:05 pm

Lightning wrote:Wood pellets are 25% more expensive per ton than coal where I live and produce only 2/3 the heat.. I'm sure the price is more dramatic closer to coal country.. What a crime!! :x


I have no need to do so, but I can buy wood pellets at $3.99 per 40 lb. bag (before tax) locally. Anthracite around here is more like $6.65 per 40 lb. bag (before tax). That favors pellets. But since I buy coal in bulk I'm way ahead with anthracite.
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lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:16 pm

[quote="Berlin"]...... With the few that do have interest in coal, pushing manometers, CO detectors and baro dampers not only screams complex and dangerous, but, no-one wants a stove in their living space that doesn't look "finished".[/quote]

I would love to sit back in my living room and look at the set up "keepaneyeonit" has.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:09 pm

We actually include a CO detector with all of our stoves and our boilers come with a CO and a 460dwyer meter. Many times when people call and we ask what is the draft. They have no idea what we are asking. They are common knowledge for most forum members but outside of here not so much.
Flyer5
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: How come dealers don't....

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:28 pm

Jim D. had a thing he called Safe At Home - was a CO detector wired to kill the stoker upon alarm activation. I'd post a link, but his Coaljack.com site has been taken down. :(

RIP Jimmy.

I do still have some pics of it from his Alikat ...
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler