If you are going to talk about guns....

If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:08 am

Nevermind, make yourself look like fool...

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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:17 pm

I laughed out loud. :D
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:34 pm

Ignorance,Blind Liberal Aggression,Coupled With Total Malfeasance.....Yep,that's what America's Electing these days....Enjoy! :down:
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Ed.A On: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:37 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:Ignorance,Blind Liberal Aggression,Coupled With Total Malfeasance.....Yep,that's what America's Electing these days....Enjoy! :down:


And they make the Laws that Impact Us and our country. :mad:
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: bigstick6017555 On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:51 am

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of
force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and
the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason
and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or
employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal
footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with
a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload
of drunken guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between
a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force
equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all
guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a
[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's
potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative
fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful
living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal
force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with
a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both
are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian
as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as
a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot
be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because
it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who
would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would
do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why
carrying a gun is a civilized act.
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:35 pm

bigstick6017555 wrote:Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of
force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and
the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason
and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or
employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal
footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with
a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload
of drunken guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between
a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force
equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all
guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a
[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's
potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative
fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful
living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal
force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with
a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both
are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian
as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as
a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot
be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because
it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who
would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would
do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why
carrying a gun is a civilized act.


:clap: :clap: :yes: :punk: :up:

Well said.
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:40 pm

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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Tryingitout On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:32 pm

I think that is the best explanation of why to carry a gun, way to go :D
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: cabinover On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:31 pm

I read down through the thread before watching the video. Great explanation for carrying but WTF is that dude in California talking about? Best laugh I've had all day! Dumbass. :D
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:50 pm

Dumbass


How about the people who voted him in..
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:52 pm

Big Stick,I don't think I've ever seen it put so perfectly. Hopefully that sinks in for some,but I doubt it. Being a Shocked Victim is usually so much easier. Thanx for the post. :)
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:54 pm

Oh yea I forgot to comment on Bigsticks's post . I like it, well written even the leftest of the left would have a difficult time arguing the points made .
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:55 pm

Flyer5 wrote:Oh yea I forgot to comment on Bigsticks's post . I like it, well written even the leftest of the left would have a difficult time arguing the points made .



Yeah, but they would still try.
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:12 pm

grumpy wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:Oh yea I forgot to comment on Bigsticks's post . I like it, well written even the leftest of the left would have a difficult time arguing the points made .



Yeah, but they would still try.



Without a doubt. Any words here Sam? LOL :poke:
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Re: If you are going to talk about guns....

PostBy: DieselBob On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:54 pm

I laughed so hard listening to this blithering idiot I spit Jello on my keyboard. :blah:
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