For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:59 am

In Only My Old Eye's Opinion,You try to Live Your Life as the Best Person You Can Be! Not due to deterrents,but due to what's Right and Commonly Decent. That's always been my Job. When I was given the Extreme Gift of Becoming a Husband And A Father,that mindset became even more important. The thought of Animals trying to destroy all of that obviously puts me in a Rotten Place. While we discuss this here,more Animals are at work as we type. Think about it. :gee:
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:23 am

Evil only gets worse. We certainly will never go back to the days of old when you could leave your doors unlocked and your kids could go outside without a care until dark! It is the reality in which we live.

I don't have the answer only my opinions. Maybe we could deter violent crime if the courts, once establishing guilt, handed the scum bag over to the family for them to decide if he lives or dies. And how.
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:43 am

Paulie wrote: But if they are
sure, and you gatta go.....electric chair is the best. 'Old Sparky' gets the job done and the deterrent value priceless.

But that just opens up more discussion. Where will the electricity come from.......solar, wind, hydro, coal, nuclear, natural gas, petroleum? :roll: :?

The bigger question to the execution is actually......Why was this 'subhuman' allowed to sit on death row for 28 years after admitting to the crime, taking the police to the murder weapon, and DNA confirmation?
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:56 am

That's why I think the guillotine is superior, doesn't cost much, uses little human energy & the family could if they want have a member release the blade. It is fast & painless but the mental thought of losing your head is a bit of a deterrent so everyone gets a bit of what they want (except the perp). :shock:
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:11 pm

Ya' Got a Helluva Point,Sam! :gee:
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:50 pm

I doubt very much that people that commit capital crimes give one moments thought of how they would be executed if caught. Besides, executing criminals really has nothing to do with deterrence, its about retribution.
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:39 pm

Just to touch on a comment from the last page .... I will say this: ANY religion that has killed people is a WARPED view of a religion. My God does not, and never has, condoned murder or genocide. It's not the religion that killed people - it's MAN'S warped viewpoint that has.

Back on topic, I think firing squad is the best way. Could have the next concealed carry class come in and practice. Nothing says justice like a full magazine in the hands of a rookie! :D ;)
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:41 pm

coaledsweat wrote:I doubt very much that people that commit capital crimes give one moments thought of how they would be executed if caught. Besides, executing criminals really has nothing to do with deterrence, its about retribution.

I agree with this post. We want justice in the form of retribution, but deterrence would be worthwhile too in preventing future murders.

One tribe of Native Americans had, I think, a clever solution. As reported by George Catlin one tribe of Mandans handled the problem in the following way.

If in counsel it was decided unanimously that the death sentence was called for, the murderers own family was assigned the duty to carry out the killing. By doing it this way the victims family received retribution and there was no chance of a feud being started between families to avenge the murder. Also, knowing they could be expected to carry out this unpleasant duty any malefactor within a family was sure to receive a lot of pressure from family members to mend his ways before it was too late. Strong deterrence and retribution if necessary was achieved.

Just another example of the thought of primitive people that is less primitive than the society that branded them primitive.
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Re: For the sake of healthy argument: Ohio's "botched" execution

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:43 pm

Not to worry some states have figured out how to end the history of botched executions. Simply do them in secret (I guess a some point in time they will inform the family) but if kept secret there will never be anything but happy thoughts & a very peaceful passing, isn't life er ah death wonderful. As a bonus they don't even have to worry about that burdensome constitution that some always seem concerned about. 8-)
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/cr ... t/6765403/
Still gets my vote :chop: :secret:
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