New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:13 pm

$6,258.29!! :fear: I hope it turns coal into GOLD .... :shock:

Wow Carbon you got yourself a smokin deal right there! Guy's g/f must be a treehugger - lucky you! :lol:


Price Includes:
Stoker Unit, Boiler, Jacket, Hopper, 5 Gallon Coil, Auto Damper, Altitude Gauge, Times, Thermostat, Triple Aquastat, 4006B Acq. Relief Valve, 2 Ash Receptacle and a B-30 Combustion Blower.

WTF??? Does the thing fly too? :funny:
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:26 pm

The Keystoker KA-4 and KA-6 are available with oil as a secondary fuel. I would get the KA-6 because you can never have a boiler that's too large.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Leisure Line Lil' Heater.
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer model 75. (sold)
Other Heating: Oil Furnace and Kerosene Heaters.

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:32 pm

Well, it DOES need to fit in the basement. ;)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

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Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: kstills On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:37 pm

I believe the LL110 is cheaper, and has a very small footprint. And you simply cannot beat the customer service.
kstills
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: WL 110
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:43 pm

^^^ THIS. 8-)
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:55 pm

kstills wrote:I believe the LL110 is cheaper, and has a very small footprint. And you simply cannot beat the customer service.


None of those things will help if the boiler is undersized. I am not saying that it is...just saying that if it takes two LL Pioneer's and some help from the oil boiler to heat the house right now, a LL110 seems like a stretch.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: kstills On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:10 pm

Rob R. wrote:
kstills wrote:I believe the LL110 is cheaper, and has a very small footprint. And you simply cannot beat the customer service.


None of those things will help if the boiler is undersized. I am not saying that it is...just saying that if it takes two LL Pioneer's and some help from the oil boiler to heat the house right now, a LL110 seems like a stretch.



From the op:

Pacowy
I will measure the sf of radiation. Before I had the coal stoker the oil burner never had a issue with keeping the heat up.So my guess is 122,000 is oversize.


Once again, he needs to do the heat loss calculation:

http://www.builditsolar.com/References/ ... atLoss.htm

To be sure, but unless he was running at design with the 122k, the 110 might be up to the task.
kstills
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: WL 110
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:13 pm

It depends...is the 122k the NET rating of the oil unit?

The 110 rating of the LL unit is gross input, based on what btus/lb I am not sure.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: kstills On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:15 pm

Rob R. wrote:It depends...is the 122k the NET rating of the oil unit?

The 110 rating of the LL unit is gross input, based on what btus/lb I am not sure.



You know, in these threads there seem to always be more questions than answers. :lol:

However, every chance I get to participate teaches me a little bit more, so it's always informative to take part in these. :)
kstills
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: WL 110
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: oilman On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:56 pm

We have always had good results with the K-6 dual fuel. Works good. We have really seen the results of too small heating units lately......it hasn't been this cold for awhile.
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Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:53 pm

it hasn't been this cold for awhile.


But, but.....surely global warming will take care of that! I plan to heat with a candle here in Algore's home state. He said I could! And I checked the topo maps and I should have shore front property soon!
Seriously, as the owner of an undersized boiler, by all means go a little big. :(

Kevin
KLook
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: BigJohn On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:13 pm

I did not get to do the heat loss calculation yet.
Before the coal stove, new windows, and insulation the oil boiler keep the heat with no problem.
The oil boiler is a New Yorker 122
I will be taking the oil boiler out. Don't want to build another chimney .
I would like to have a duel fuel option. Oil tank and line is here.
I would like to hear pro and cons of Keystoker Kaa-4-1 and Leisure Line WL 110
I'm learning here.
Thanks Guys
BigJohn
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer X2
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:27 pm

I think you have heard them. Keystoker is more btu's , LL is maybe big enough and great service, Keystoker has great service also by all accounts. If they(those 2)are your only choice's to work with, you probably should go with the bigger unit as much as I would like to have a LL110 myself. Having said that......Hcarlow up in Houlton, Me. is heating his house with a LL110 and bragging about it. So, maybe some others will weigh in with some more relevant advice. :D

Kevin
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:31 am

BigJohn wrote:I did not get to do the heat loss calculation yet.
Before the coal stove, new windows, and insulation the oil boiler keep the heat with no problem.
The oil boiler is a New Yorker 122
I will be taking the oil boiler out. Don't want to build another chimney .
I would like to have a duel fuel option. Oil tank and line is here.
I would like to hear pro and cons of Keystoker Kaa-4-1 and Leisure Line WL 110
I'm learning here.
Thanks Guys


The New Yorker website says the IBR (net of pickup) output of the "122" oil-fired boiler (FR-122-W) is 115k btu/hr. That reflects a firing rate of 1.1 gph, which translates to about 153k btu/hr gross input and 132k gross output.

115k btu/hr translates to 767 s.f. of installed radiation. That's larger than the recommended load of a KA-6, but slightly smaller than its net theoretical capacity. It should be straightforward to determine whether the 122 has been sized to the s.f. of installed radiation (plus DHW load), or whether it has excess capacity that might permit comparable heating performance from a smaller boiler using the current installed radiation. If it does not have such excess capacity, heat loss analysis could indicate whether some portion of the installed radiation is not needed. Absent persuasive evidence that the boiler and/or the installed radiation are substantially oversized, I would not be optimistic about the ability of a small boiler to give satisfactory performance here. If anything, I believe a coal boiler should be sized with a capacity margin to compensate for the numerous factors that can cause it to operate at lower than its rated output.

Mike
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Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
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Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Wiz On: Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:09 am

BigJohn.... if you want to see a keystoker Ka-6 in action, your welcome to check out mine. Boiler handle the coldest day this yr without any problem . I'm not on forum often lately so if you pm me I'll see it in email.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
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