Basement Coal stove

Basement Coal stove

PostBy: KC2LLW On: Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:40 pm

I am thinking of replacing my wood stove with a coal stove in the basement. What would be my best option. I have a masonry chimney in the center of the basement 8" this is what the wood stove use to vents to, and I have a natural gas furnace which is vented via PVC Power vent. I could put a hood over the coal stove and connect to the duct system of my gas furnace (did this with my wood stove). should I be looking at a stoker, Gravity feed or hand fed?
Thanks,
Steve
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Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: titleist1 On: Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:19 pm

Welcome to the forum!!
What should you look at....all of the above! Some logistical stuff and personal preference will play into your decision.

Do you have frequent power outages in your area that you have to deal with? If not I would look to a stoker stove that has a jacket and could be fed into the existing duct work.

Some here have a coal boiler that has a heat exchanger in the ductwork.

What is the heat load of your structure? That will guide you to the size unit you need. There have been a few threads lately that indicate some units may have been stretched a bit during this cold snap. You may be OK with that if you don't mind running your gas furnace as additional heat to the coal unit.

You should also think a little about coal storage and delivery at this point to make it as easy as possible over the long term.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:56 pm

Hi Steve, welcome to the forum.

Since you currently have a wood stove, are you 'ok' with loading a stove twice a day? If so, a hand fed stove will do fine. If you choose one of the ones with a gravity feed hopper, it will stretch the time between adding coal to the stove, but it will not change the need to at least look at the stove twice a day, and shake the grates a bit to get the ash to drop, so the fire will continue to burn well, without ash blocking the airflow.

If you think you'd like to free yourself from tending a stove every 12 hours or so, you can go with one of the many stoker stoves, most will go a full 24 hours and many double that on one hopper full of coal. The ashpan might require emptying more often than adding coal.

If you don't need the look or radiant heat from a stove in the basement, but just want to heat the house, there are several stoker hot-air furnaces available, Leisure Line has a nice small one, and there are many others that are meant to be a FURNACE for the house, not a room heater like a stove [either wood or coal].

Probably the 'Cadilac' version of using coal is to put in a boiler, use a water-to-air heat exchanger in your furnace ductwork plenum, this will heat your house just like the gas furnace does. But the bonus is that a boiler will also provide all the domestic hot water for your home. Most boilers can provide virtually unlimited hot water.. Do you like 2 hour long hot showers ?? :shock:
Some hot-air furnaces can be equipped with a hot water 'loop' but they are low capacity water heaters, and are meant to add heat to your existing hot water tank/heater. Which type of hot water heater is best depends on the size of your family, or number of people using hot water each day,, and also if you use a 'loop' to heat the water heater tank, is WHEN the hot water is used.. if all a once, showers, laundry, dishwashing etc, the loop will not help much, but if the use is spread out over the day, then the loop can do a lot.

Let us know how big the house is, level of insulation, quality of windows. All this is to try to determine the size and type of coal burning appliance would work well for your situation.

Take care,
Greg L
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Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: KC2LLW On: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:11 am

Thanks for the reply guys,
I have about a 5000sqft home 3 story I could heat the basement and next floor connecting to the duct system the boiler with heat exchanger sounds nice. we don't have many power outages (other than the 8 days thanks to Sandy) but have a 24K whole house natural gas generator so power is not an issue other than a extra cost when running a stoker stove. Not sure which direction I want to go but thinking a gravity fed hopper maybe ok I dont mind checking it twice a day. I am looking into a a stove for the thrid floor also, and possibly for my 3 car garage the power vents make it possible to put these stove almost anywhere.
Thanks,
Steve
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Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:20 am

Just to be sure, you know that a hand fed cannot be used with a power vent, correct? You used 'gravity fed hopper' and 'power vent' kinda, sorta together....
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: KC2LLW On: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:44 am

titleist1 wrote:Just to be sure, you know that a hand fed cannot be used with a power vent, correct? You used 'gravity fed hopper' and 'power vent' kinda, sorta together....

Yes I do know that a PV must be used with a stoker stove. The hand fed or gravity fed stove would go in the basement into a masonary chimney. The PV stoker stove would be in the garage and 3 floor where I have no chimney access.
Thank you,
Steve
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Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:52 am

OK, didn't mean to insult your knowledge but I didn't want to get too far down that path and find out there was a misunderstanding.

One thing to consider if you do go with a hand fed in basement and stoker elsewhere is the different size coal you will need to have on hand. I started with a hand fed in house using nut coal, got a stoker for the workshop using rice coal a few years back. Decided two coal piles was a bit much so I went with the same type stoker in the house. That also allows me to have a single spare parts shelf. I still have the original hand fed in case of a long power outage but have a much smaller stash of nut coal in bags under the bilco door steps.
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: KC2LLW On: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:14 am

titleist1 wrote:OK, didn't mean to insult your knowledge but I didn't want to get too far down that path and find out there was a misunderstanding.

One thing to consider if you do go with a hand fed in basement and stoker elsewhere is the different size coal you will need to have on hand. I started with a hand fed in house using nut coal, got a stoker for the workshop using rice coal a few years back. Decided two coal piles was a bit much so I went with the same type stoker in the house. That also allows me to have a single spare parts shelf. I still have the original hand fed in case of a long power outage but have a much smaller stash of nut coal in bags under the bilco door steps.


No problem, not insulted at all. I am new to coal and trying to learn here at this very knowledgeable site before making a move. I have been burning wood since the 70's and feel coal maybe a better and easier option even thou my wood is free other then cutting, splitting and stacking it.
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Re: Basement Coal stove

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:33 am

Welcome,KC2LLW, 5000 sq.ft. 3 story with gas hot air furnace,put a stoker in the basement that is big enough to do the whole house & your garage,tie it into the existing ductwork. You can either go with a stoker hot air furnace OR a stoker boiler & install a water to air heat exchanger in the plenum + you can do your domestic hot water year round. THE unit that comes to mind for your setup is the Leisureline AA220 boiler,its a dual burner unit,1 burner for summertime DHW & the chilly months,2 burners for the cold months,which you can check out in the manufacturers thread.Lots of decisions ahead but you are pointed in the right direction !!
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