mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: John518 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:23 pm

Why are you sayin a power is you last option, if you don't have the room or height for a standard chimney, you only have 2 options. Power vent or Direct Vent. Which basically do the same thing.

No
Power vent is an powered (AC) exhaust system only
Direct vent is a two way combustion air in and exhaust out (NO AC)
Right?
John518
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Liberty
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:35 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:Flyer5, Is the Lil Heater approved for mobile home use ? could not find details on that part,thanks



Yes they are all of our stoves are. Most areas require it bolted to the floor and a fresh air intake near the unit. We have customers with Hyfires in MH.

Thank you,very good info to have.

28 X70 that would be a double wide ????? that would probably stretch the lil heater to its limit & beyond,the Leisureline pioneer & pocono both have top or rear vent & are probably big enough for you.
WNY,thanks for the clarification on power vs. direct vent.
windyhill4.2
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Other Heating: Oaktree OWB 600K

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: John518 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:58 pm

no not a double wide but the other half is a add on that original owners did in 3 stages.
The pellet stove has a chimney BUT is only 3" and will only work with that stove.
At this time I think that this spring I will be getting the Channing III with a Direct Vent.
John518
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Liberty
Coal Size/Type: Rice

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Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:03 pm

I would definitely prefer a powerventer that sucks the flu gasses out under negative pressure rather than a direct vent which blows the flu gasses out under positive pressure. Just my preference.
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:18 pm

John518 wrote:Why are you sayin a power is you last option, if you don't have the room or height for a standard chimney, you only have 2 options. Power vent or Direct Vent. Which basically do the same thing.

No
Power vent is an powered (AC) exhaust system only
Direct vent is a two way combustion air in and exhaust out (NO AC)
Right?



Not with coal stoker stoves. Both use AC the difference is where the power unit is located. Powervent is out side . Directvent inside.
Flyer5
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:36 pm

John518 wrote:no not a double wide but the other half is a add on that original owners did in 3 stages.
The pellet stove has a chimney BUT is only 3" and will only work with that stove.
At this time I think that this spring I will be getting the Channing III with a Direct Vent.

Kinda like ours,1972 12x60 with additions added on one side to equal 24x60,one addition is a concrete slab about 2' above ground so the cold creeps in thru,this part does have a 15' chimney which used to have a wood stove & where we plan to install a handfed coal stove ..soon ??? I haven't studied much on the Alaska products as they are not listed in the manufacturers section.Leisure Line is & we hear lots of positives about them,that is why i generally refer to their products.I definitely have to agree with the others on the power vent being better than a direct vent.Just think about using your leaf blower to blow your carpet clean instead of a vacuum, put the "drawing fan" on the outside to suck all the fumes out,rather than to try pushing them out a pipe that could leak somewhere,easy choice for me.!!
windyhill4.2
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Other Heating: Oaktree OWB 600K

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: mozz On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:44 pm

That's 1960sq ft. Maybe a lower ceiling than a similar sized house but....wondering how is the heat going to get to the far ends if the stove is centrally placed? That would appear to be a problem. We had a Leisure Line Pioneer that was power vented and our upstairs was 4-10 degrees colder than downstairs. The power vent does make some noise and does need to be cleaned and preserved at the end of each heating season. I would still rather power vent than direct vent, personal choice. I do recall our electric bill went up ~$30/month. If the trailer is going to stay put, I would say block chimney, x amount of feet over the roof line and tall enough to have proper draft.

John518 wrote:Part 2
The Mobil home is 28 feet wide and 70 feet long.
I did look at the little heater and the Independance.
Also look a Hitzer.
mozz
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 1982 AA-130 Steam

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: John518 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:29 pm

Mozz
The main part has a duct that carried heat from the pellet stove and the hot air furnace (backup when we are away for a few days). So that will not be a problem to change pellet to coal heat.That has already been looked at. As for the rest
of the rooms (bedroom which is not used in the winter and library/computer) are cool now 66* avg.
John518
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Liberty
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: btrowe1 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:27 pm

You need to check the stove to see if MH approved, Towns and MH manufacture's tend to frown upon alternative burning devices being used in them.

Coal stoves tend to get very hot and MHs tend to be built a bit lighter and burn up quickly, Then a direct vent system would be used,

How do I vent my stove?
Masonry chimney – All stove models.

Power Venter System – All models except for the Gnome 40 and Kodiak models. Typically used when putting a stove in the basement, when most of the basement is below ground level. This is an all stainless steel motorized vent system.

Direct Vent System – Can be used on the following models: Stoker Stove II, Gnome 40, Kast Console III rear vent, and Channing III rear vent. This is a motorized vent system that attaches to the back bottom rear of the stove and then goes straight out through the wall. Typically used on a first floor application or anywhere there is a whole wall exposed to the outside

Hopefully i don't get in trouble for this but it explains it so well.

Not sure but possibly you could put the system on a rehostat to control your electrical useage.
btrowe1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska stoker 140 Coal
Stove/Furnace Make: alaska stove

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:46 pm

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Flyer5 wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:Flyer5, Is the Lil Heater approved for mobile home use ? could not find details on that part,thanks



Yes they are all of our stoves are. Most areas require it bolted to the floor and a fresh air intake near the unit. We have customers with Hyfires in MH.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE : read the above quote direct from Leisure Line. Mobile homes use paneling just like some houses do,mobile homes use drywall just like some houses do,both applications require clearance to combustibles . John518 why not a chimney ??
windyhill4.2
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Other Heating: Oaktree OWB 600K

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: John518 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:20 pm

Due to the height of the chimney (9 Feet) above the roof line
The Dealer/Installer said that he would not install it.
There was no way to support it and the weight now comes into play.
After reading the instructions I agree with him.
John518
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Liberty
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:30 pm

I'm confused (not the first time nor the last either) why 9' above roof line ??
windyhill4.2
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Other Heating: Oaktree OWB 600K

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: John518 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:57 pm

To meet the 15 feet min.
John518
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Liberty
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:22 pm

We probably only have 10- 12' from thimble to top,it worked fine for the wood stove we had hooked up to it yrs ago.
windyhill4.2
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Other Heating: Oaktree OWB 600K

Re: mobile home and direct vent stoker stoves

PostBy: oilman On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:12 pm

I would recommend the Keystoker ZC for a mobile home.
oilman
 

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