are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:41 pm

You wouldn't want to roll around in lime & breath lots of it in either,you wouldn't shower with strait chlorine either,haul a tractor trailer load of laundry detergent & hazmat placards have to be displayed,hydrogen peroxide will burn your skin in its stronger formulas.
Carbon12 wrote:There is no doubt that anthracite coal contains heavy metals and some radioactive material. The problem with the ash is, these impurities become concentrated in the ash. A little ash probably won't hurt you but I wouldn't want to roll around in it and breath large quantities of it every day. I don't have a problem dumping it in the yard but I wouldn't add any specifically to a vegetable garden. No good reason to and perhaps reason not to.
Tractor trailers hauling coal with heavy metals & radioactive material & no haz-mat placards ????????? What are you suffering from ???? The DEP & DOT love to regulate hazmat materials ,if coal qualified you can be sure that you couldn't haul more than 500# max without placards.Some one has got brain freeze and is posting dribble !!!!!!!!!!! :!:
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:44 pm

Again, the SA article spreads inflammatory comments without making any mention of how this supposed problem relates to background exposures we face every day. The asterisked comment at the end is particularly revealing of the author's willingness to make wholly inaccurate fearmongering statements that had to be corrected by readers. 200 percent of .00001 is .00002. So what? I did like the comment from the guy who said you're several times more likely to be struck by lightning than to experience health problems stemming from radiation in coal ash. If you're worried about radiation, check your house for radon and don't get too many x-rays. From the data presented, trying to make radiation into a coal issue seems like agenda-driven baloney.

Mike
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: gerry_g On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:45 pm

Carbon12 wrote:http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/


Although true, to be fair, there are many locals that have local very high radiation from their indigenous soil and rock.

Worth noting that nukes release very little radiation in the US and haven't yet produced enough waste to fill a football field 9' high. Note most nuke waste is actually tools and hasmat suits worn only to prevent inhaling radon inhalation.

Never think Chernobyl or the Japanese. Russia used a graphite reactor banned in the US in 1953! The Japanese never retrofitted their old reactors with hydrogen re combiners that the US mandated to prevent reactor explosions.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:50 pm

In the absence of any concrete safety data about coal ash and the general belief that it is of little benefit to a vegetable garden, all I am concluding is there is no good reason to use it in the garden. Why risk a problem if it can easily be avoided. If one wishes to put coal ashes in the garden, by all means do so.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:51 pm

gerry_g wrote:I did mention there were different sources of activated carbon. Activated carbon is no longer anthracite, what you reference is heat treated and chemical quality tested based derived from anthracite.

Quality checks make a big difference IMHO.

You mentioned several sources and made it abudantly clear anthracite was not one of them. Since all of your stated sources require the VERY SAME process as anthracite to become activated carbon such as wood into charcoal, coconut shells, blah blah blah, your argument is moot. Charcoal is no longer wood and coconut shells are no longer coconut shells but become "activated carbon". Quality checks are just that, to insure quality of the product and has nothing to do with the process itself.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: gerry_g On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:57 pm

coaledsweat wrote:You mentioned several sources and made it abudantly clear anthracite was not one of them. Since all of your stated sources require the VERY SAME process as anthracite to become activated carbon such as wood into charcoal, coconut shells, blah blah blah, your argument is moot. Charcoal is no longer wood and coconut shells are no longer coconut shells but become "activated carbon". Quality checks are just that, to insure quality of the product and has nothing to do with the process itself.


But the quality checks make a huge difference! Activated carbon has many sources and processes. Comparing that to random coal ash is totally bogus. It isn't even coal or coal ash anymore.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:07 pm

Carbon12 wrote:There is no doubt that anthracite coal contains heavy metals and some radioactive material. The problem with the ash is, these impurities become concentrated in the ash. A little ash probably won't hurt you but I wouldn't want to roll around in it and breath large quantities of it every day. I don't have a problem dumping it in the yard but I wouldn't add any specifically to a vegetable garden. No good reason to and perhaps reason not to.

No one is trying to force you to use ashes for your lawn& or garden, but don't be spouting foolish & false statement like you did in the above first sentence.You wouldn't be burning coal if that was true,therefore you would then have no ash to worry about . Think,think, think, then maybe you can speak wisely !!!!
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: gerry_g On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:16 pm

Carbon12 wrote:In the absence of any concrete safety data about coal ash and the general belief that it is of little benefit to a vegetable garden, all I am concluding is there is no good reason to use it in the garden. Why risk a problem if it can easily be avoided. If one wishes to put coal ashes in the garden, by all means do so.


Well stated. I have no idea what I get from what load of coal but know even PA anthracite varies. Great stuff but any general statement that it all is always totally harmless is bogus.

I burn it, use the by product but have no desire to eat the leftovers.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:24 pm

gerry_g wrote:But the quality checks make a huge difference! Activated carbon has many sources and processes. Comparing that to random coal ash is totally bogus. It isn't even coal or coal ash anymore.

Quality checks only insure the quality of the product. I believe you and I were discussing anthracite, not ash. The bottom line is whatever the source, it has to go through a controlled heating process to activate it. Be it wood into charcoal, coconut shells or anthracite into activated carbon, none of these things are what they started out as. Wood is no longer wood, coconut shells are no longer coconut shells. At least the anthracite doesn't lose it's identity, it is still black.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: gerry_g On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:28 pm

Pacowy wrote:Again, the SA article spreads inflammatory comments without making any mention of how this supposed problem relates to background exposures we face every day.


SA is one of the least inflammatory publication I'm aware of. It presents reviewed data and assumes one has the brains to interpret it.

Such can lead to honest disagreements and rational discussion.

I think you missed "...Tennessee contained high levels of arsenic..." Nothing to do with radiation.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: gerry_g On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:35 pm

coaledsweat wrote:
gerry_g wrote:But the quality checks make a huge difference! Activated carbon has many sources and processes. Comparing that to random coal ash is totally bogus. It isn't even coal or coal ash anymore.

Quality checks only insure the quality of the product. I believe you and I were discussing anthracite, not ash. The bottom line is whatever the source, it has to go through a controlled heating process to activate it. Be it wood into charcoal, coconut shells or anthracite into activated carbon, none of these things are what they started out as. Wood is no longer wood, coconut shells are no longer coconut shells. At least the anthracite doesn't lose it's identity, it is still black.


Absolutely correct! QA insures the quality, without it the quality is unknown.

I did bring ash back in since that is the topic and a very different material than anthracite. It is what one gets when one removes the organic water barrier.
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: ntp71 On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:03 pm

Here is something to read.

http://www.coalashfacts.org/
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:37 pm

Geez, you guys gettin all riled up about coal ash.. I understand... I get all fired up when people post nonsense about draft limiting devices too.. :lol: Personally, I think a spoonful of dirt out of the back yard probably has trace amounts of anything in it.. So does coal ash. Probably not anymore harmful to eat a spoonful of dirt as it is to eat a spoonful of coal ash.. Probably wouldn't taste very good though :lol:

As for in the garden? Does it have any fertilizing contribution?
If not, then why bother.. Fill holes with it instead... :P
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: ShawninNY On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:40 pm

I especially like the terms of use portion where it's says they are not responsible for the accuracy of any information on there website! That's scientific (American Coal Ash Association AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED ON THE American Coal Ash Association )
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Re: are coal ashes ok to spread on lawn or in vegetable garden?

PostBy: ShawninNY On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:46 pm

They started it lee!
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