omg now what am i going to do?

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:41 am

I have a manometer and a barodamper. I am now wondering if I am reading this this wrong. My boiler says .06 draft. how should my manometer be hooked up and read?
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:43 am

.06 sounds reasonable to me.

Everyone I've seen hooks them up using the LOW side, so that the fluid runs to the right where there is more of the scale available.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: joeblack5 On: Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:11 pm

I have a post about converting nthe energy king to a stoker and slab heating. Do a search . There are some pictures also. If you decide to go for a keystoker let me know if you want to sell the energyking.
If you need more info PM me with a phone number
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Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:08 pm

so I am going to order 5 wrap insulated pipe with oxygen barrier 1/1/4 with 2 3/4 pipes for domestic HW plus 1 1/4 valves and other hardware.
GaryFerg
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: joeblack5 On: Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:53 pm

I used Rehau Pex with closed cell foam insulation. The Pex bond well with the closed cell foam. I hoped it would be an extra help if higher pressures would occur then the Pex in itself could handle at that temperature.
Yes it is more expensive.

I also have used 3" drainwater pipe ( thinwall) and used normal foam pipe insulation for 1" or 1 1/4" PEX. You slide and glue the drainwater pipes together as you go. So only one PEX line in one drainwater pipe. I think a little cheaper but then more hours

Later J
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Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: CoalisCoolxWarm On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:02 am

joeblack5 wrote:I used Rehau Pex with closed cell foam insulation. The Pex bond well with the closed cell foam. I hoped it would be an extra help if higher pressures would occur then the Pex in itself could handle at that temperature.
Yes it is more expensive.

I also have used 3" drainwater pipe ( thinwall) and used normal foam pipe insulation for 1" or 1 1/4" PEX. You slide and glue the drainwater pipes together as you go. So only one PEX line in one drainwater pipe. I think a little cheaper but then more hours

Later J


Good idea on the insulation! I suspect many of the hot pex failure out there are due to the deformation of the pex as it warms, making kinks, weak spots, etc, causing failures below the burst temp/pressure. Your idea takes care of that and any surrounding sharp or abrasive items, too.

Do you build a trough, spray in foam layer, insert pipe and spray it in place, or some other method?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA6
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: old Sears rebuilt, bituminous
Coal Size/Type: Kittanning Seam, Stove size
Stove/Furnace Make: old handfired bituminous

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:07 am

my oil burner is rated at 325 mbh which is equal to 325000 btus hour? That seems unlikely. I remember the previous boiler I had was 122000 btu. So if that is remotely right is a ka6 at 144000 btu going to work? My current handfeed boiler seems to handle it okay at 140000 btu
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:20 am

How much coal do you burn per day?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: CoalisCoolxWarm On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:49 am

I used a heatload calculator for each room, printed it out, then added it together to get my total load.

It also showed me in no uncertain terms that I NEEDED to take some corrective action, insulation/draft wise.

The site I used still has a link, but the calculator isn't there. Maybe a website issue? Either way, there are some other sites offering a similar tool.

In the meantime, Carbon12 has asked a good question that can help work it out.
CoalisCoolxWarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA6
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: old Sears rebuilt, bituminous
Coal Size/Type: Kittanning Seam, Stove size
Stove/Furnace Make: old handfired bituminous

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:50 pm

Carbon12 wrote:How much coal do you burn per day?

well last couple of years I used around 5 ton a year this year its been a whole lot more. Over 6 and I am almost out. I dont know what I add a day. I have a cart that I fill from my coal bin in the barn and bring it to the shed where the boiler is. I fill that every two to three days depending. I think it holds about 280 or so pounds. So if I where to make a guess its around 100 pounds a day.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:54 pm

KA6 is capable of burning a lot more than that. A proper heat loss calculation will tell you if it has enough snot but, based on your coal usage, it should more than be able to handle the load.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:01 pm

better to be under then over. I can always make up the difference on really cold days with the oil burner
GaryFerg
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:13 pm

if I goto 1.5 inch insulated pex how hard is that to deal with? It has to make a bend to come up the floor of the shed. it comes in a 5 inch sewer pipe and I want to get it with 3/4 inch pipe for domestic Hot water.
GaryFerg
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: McGiever On: Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:44 pm

Is the oil boiler in the shed w/ the coal boiler?
If not, why do you need 1.5" pipe?

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Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
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Re: omg now what am i going to do?

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:08 am

McGiever wrote:Is the oil boiler in the shed w/ the coal boiler?
If not, why do you need 1.5" pipe?

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No they are about 30 feet apart.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

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