Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Pancho wrote:
Carbon12 wrote:If you are set up for a tractor trailer delivery, you can get a pretty good deal. Most, if not all the major suppliers can arrange that. Give them a call


I can get a lead trailer in here.....no pup though.

A pup trailer is a short trailer ,generally not more than 28',so you are talking about buying bagged ??,or bulk ,loose coal ?? Bulk/loose coal in a tri-axle dump or tractor trailer dump would be the cheapest option,but you have to make a way to dump/hold/use , generally 20+ tons.Talk about control of your fuel supply if you go that way the control will be in your hands.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:57 pm

There are others burning anthracite in Michigan,....there must be some kind of supply chain there.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:02 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:A pup trailer is a short trailer ,generally not more than 28',so you are talking about buying bagged ??,or bulk ,loose coal ?? Bulk/loose coal in a tri-axle dump or tractor trailer dump would be the cheapest option,but you have to make a way to dump/hold/use , generally 20+ tons.Talk about control of your fuel supply if you go that way the control will be in your hands.


What I meant was I cannot get a lead AND a pup in here.....lead only. That may make it difficult to nail down a truck from out East.
Ideally I would like bulk/loose coal.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:03 pm

Carbon12 wrote:There are others burning anthracite in Michigan,....there must be some kind of supply chain there.


Yep, I am going to Greg's place next weekend and pester him about supply details and a bunch of other stuff.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:04 pm

He is the man to talk to!
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:32 pm

You won't find a twin dump trailer set up coming from the east. Pup trailer in the trucking world is a short trailer & used in double & triple configurations.Bulk , loose will be delivered by either a dump.... straight or dump trailer ,OR a walking floor trailer,which to explain the walking floor,think of many slats on the floor controlled by hydraulics,each separately walking back & forth a few inches till the load is walked off the trailer.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:39 pm

Welp, the wife and I went up to Greg's place today to talk coal......got sidetracked for 3 hours or so....got back on track with some coal chat and had a flippin' riot! (the wife is still gigglin' about all the cool stuff).

Thanks Greg for extending us the invite and taking the time to show us the ropes. I am sure we'll pester you some more as we get closer to pulling the trigger but you've already been a tremendous help.

Thanks again...we had a ball.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:56 pm

3 hrs.?? Did he show you all his coal or did you count every piece ? :) Sounds like a good kind of visit & should certainly be a big encouragement on your path to warmth with coal heat. It is always so comforting to make a decision after a visit with someone who has already made that decision,nice thing about this forum,you don't have to go it alone.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:44 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:3 hrs.?? Did he show you all his coal or did you count every piece ? :) Sounds like a good kind of visit & should certainly be a big encouragement on your path to warmth with coal heat. It is always so comforting to make a decision after a visit with someone who has already made that decision,nice thing about this forum,you don't have to go it alone.


We had to scoot home to let the dog out (and stoke the woodburner back up) or we'd probably still be there :P .

Yeah, so far I am trying to find reasons why I shouldn't make the switch.....and I am struggling to find a reason. My biggest worries (having never done it) is securing a source of coal and enough coal to make sure I can get through the first season.

Since coming home my wife said she's found a place in Shipshiwanna (sp?) that has bulk. She also said Reading and Blaschak have lists of truckers that will haul back this way. I'll be making some calls this week.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:00 pm

If you are over age 50 that alone is good enough reason TO switch from wood to coal,if we were closer i would offer you the once in a life time opportunity to tend our outdoor wood burner for a week or so,it could possible help your decision process :) Bulk...bulk load of bags or bulk loose, which one will work best for your situation ? You can most likely find that answer on this forum somewhere or if not,ask & you will receive many opinions to choose from.Good luck on you future use of coal for heat.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:04 pm

Pancho wrote:Yeah, so far I am trying to find reasons why I shouldn't make the switch.....and I am struggling to find a reason.


Change can be difficult sometimes but once you make that change you will wonder why you didn't do it sooner. Which I am sure Greg has already told you that, as well as others! Sourcing coal is a concern but it sounds like you are on the right track. Have you narrowed down what kind of coal stove you want? :idea: Whatever you choose I am sure you will LOVE IT!
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:16 pm

If you're not set up or willing to get a tractor trailer load, I'm sure you could arrange the necessary tonnage to arrive in bags, on pallets. Rent a skid steer to but the pallets where you want and you're good to go!
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:53 pm

Hey Pancho, you left too soon! The fun kept on going! My buddy who is an OC Sheriff Deputy showed up with his wife and 3 kids, and a dog.. Since you me LOKI, how do you think he reacted to having 3 kids to play with and a female dog to 'check out'... She [the dog] had to raise a lip a few times to teach LOKI some manners !! :lol: He's SUCH a 'teenager'.

I too had a great time.. About the sidetracking.. well when a few people get together who have so many mutual interests. it's really difficult to NOT get sidetracked !!
So after the small diversions we did cover most of the information and we saw examples of several stoves, types of stoves, and played with a bit of coal and watched the dancing 'blue ladies' on the coal bed of the AA260 boiler.

We'll get some answers about coal supplies in a few days..

What I'll suggest is to try to find either a bulk source or bagged source for nut for this year.. and only get a ton or two.
Then worry about a large load of bulk this summer.
Check with FAmily Farm and Fleet, the one south of Lansing/Dansville had pallets of bagged Blaschak a few years back..
also pm Grumpy for his bulk nut coal source information.

If you get a fire started with nut, you can top it off with Pea, and I have plenty of Pea to help you out. As we talked about, we can share a load of bulk nut or stove this summer.
I'll call a few of my sources to see what they have, and their prices.

I'll fire up a loader and dig out the access to that door of the barn, and make those two easier to get to.

Try to contact the farm and Fleet stores and the TSC stores to see if any of them have coal in stock.

Great meeting you and C. I'm looking forward to getting a tour of your place !!

Greg L
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:59 pm

ONEDOLLAR wrote:
Pancho wrote:Yeah, so far I am trying to find reasons why I shouldn't make the switch.....and I am struggling to find a reason.


Change can be difficult sometimes but once you make that change you will wonder why you didn't do it sooner. Which I am sure Greg has already told you that, as well as others! Sourcing coal is a concern but it sounds like you are on the right track. Have you narrowed down what kind of coal stove you want? :idea: Whatever you choose I am sure you will LOVE IT!


Nothing is in stone yet but I don't see how I can go wrong with a big ole' base heater of some sort. Much of my selection will be made for me based on what is available. Emery at the Stove Hospital said a Herald and Wing's Best baseheater would fit my heating requirements and they are a well made stove.

Lots of stuff still up in the air but I'm making progress.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:04 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:If you are over age 50 that alone is good enough reason TO switch from wood to coal,if we were closer i would offer you the once in a life time opportunity to tend our outdoor wood burner for a week or so,it could possible help your decision process :) Bulk...bulk load of bags or bulk loose, which one will work best for your situation ? You can most likely find that answer on this forum somewhere or if not,ask & you will receive many opinions to choose from.Good luck on you future use of coal for heat.


I am not yet 50 but it seems that I am rapidly creepin' up on that number.

I still like the workout from processing wood but I don't know how much longer that will last.....and if I kick the bucket tomorrow, my wife won't be able to manage wood gathering/processing.
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