Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:06 pm

Carbon12 wrote:If you're not set up or willing to get a tractor trailer load, I'm sure you could arrange the necessary tonnage to arrive in bags, on pallets. Rent a skid steer to but the pallets where you want and you're good to go!


My goal is for a bulk trailer load but the details are still in the works on that.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:12 pm

Pancho wrote:othing is in stone yet but I don't see how I can go wrong with a big ole' base heater of some sort


That is some ROCK SOLID thinking there Pancho. A Base Burner of most any type will serve you well and pay for itself in short order. And that is the gift that keeps on giving. MONEY IN YOUR POCKET and a warmer abode. Very hard to beat that one/two punch :!: :box:

3 years in now burning coal and I am still amazed at how great coal is. I still ask myself why didn't I do this sooner. The only downside is I keep trying to acquire more stoves, though I don't have any real need for them. At least that is what "She Who Must Be Obeyed" tells me. :lol:
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:25 pm

LsFarm wrote:Hey Pancho, you left too soon! The fun kept on going! My buddy who is an OC Sheriff Deputy showed up with his wife and 3 kids, and a dog.. Since you me LOKI, how do you think he reacted to having 3 kids to play with and a female dog to 'check out'... She [the dog] had to raise a lip a few times to teach LOKI some manners !! :lol: He's SUCH a 'teenager'.

I too had a great time.. About the sidetracking.. well when a few people get together who have so many mutual interests. it's really difficult to NOT get sidetracked !!
So after the small diversions we did cover most of the information and we saw examples of several stoves, types of stoves, and played with a bit of coal and watched the dancing 'blue ladies' on the coal bed of the AA260 boiler.

We'll get some answers about coal supplies in a few days..

What I'll suggest is to try to find either a bulk source or bagged source for nut for this year.. and only get a ton or two.
Then worry about a large load of bulk this summer.
Check with FAmily Farm and Fleet, the one south of Lansing/Dansville had pallets of bagged Blaschak a few years back..
also pm Grumpy for his bulk nut coal source information.

If you get a fire started with nut, you can top it off with Pea, and I have plenty of Pea to help you out. As we talked about, we can share a load of bulk nut or stove this summer.
I'll call a few of my sources to see what they have, and their prices.

I'll fire up a loader and dig out the access to that door of the barn, and make those two easier to get to.

Try to contact the farm and Fleet stores and the TSC stores to see if any of them have coal in stock.

Great meeting you and C. I'm looking forward to getting a tour of your place !!

Greg L


THAT must have been something to see. A little excited was she?.

I was just bustin' chops on the sidetracking. GREAT conversation(s) on all 3,500 things we talked about. :P I don't know how one human being can store so much information in such great detail but it was a pleasure to listen and learn about it all.

I am told we have some numbers to call this week for local suppliers of bagged and bulk as well as some other options.

Is it wise to purchase coal ahead of the heater?.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:34 pm

ONEDOLLAR wrote:
That is some ROCK SOLID thinking there Pancho. A Base Burner of most any type will serve you well and pay for itself in short order. And that is the gift that keeps on giving. MONEY IN YOUR POCKET and a warmer abode. Very hard to beat that one/two punch :!: :box:

3 years in now burning coal and I am still amazed at how great coal is. I still ask myself why didn't I do this sooner. The only downside is I keep trying to acquire more stoves, though I don't have any real need for them. At least that is what "She Who Must Be Obeyed" tells me. :lol:


Lots of things still up in the air but that's the way I am leaning right now.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:44 pm

I think the first personal contact I had from anyone on this forum was Greg many years ago.

It was due to his call with me that we proceeded with my stepson's install. And it was also due to his call to me that I do the same to other members on here. Nothing can replace a one on one personal contact.

And I have a feeling that if we ever got together, it would be more like 3 days not 3 hours and we would still be gong strong........

As far as buying coal before the appliance, I'd make sure that the coal you buy would work in whatever appliance you are leaning towards.


Most of us here have done the wood route. It was good exercise and a fun at times event. But switching to coal is the best move we ever made.





Rick
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:45 pm

You will hardly know what size coal to by until you have a stove decision made.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:03 am

Well, pretty much any hand fed stove, whether an antique direct draft, base heater, base burner, modern hand fed, or something hand made at home.. they all will do well on nut coal.. some will do better on stove. And most will probably burn Pea, but not well, Pea is too compact and dense a coal bed for most handfed stoves.. obviously there are exceptions.

I'd recommend finding a ton or two of nut, or a nut/stove mix. I have ?? 50-60 tons of Pea on hand if you need to slow down the fire by adding it over the top of a bed of stove.

Even 25 bags of nut, 1000# will allow you to get a 'feel' for the coal-burning experience..

I'll bet most of the coal you find available will be nut and rice, for handfed stoves and stoker stoves respectively.

Greg L.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:00 am

:shock: Did he say 50-60 TONS of pea on hand . I know where I'm heading when the decade long Polar Vortex sets in! :D
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:23 pm

Yeah, that's correct.. I'm 'a bit' of a prepper. :D And since I'm about 600 miles west of the coal breakers. I stock up when I can however I can.
I didn't start out planning on having that much stored. But with UAE Harmony mine threatening to shut down for over two years.. well, everytime they told me they had plenty of Pea in stock, and the trucking company had an empty dump trailer coming back from the eastern states to the midwest..
It was sort of like the sun, moon and stars aligned just right and I felt this thump on the back of my head and a faint, barely legible voice saying: Hey DUMMY, buy it now, it will only cost more later!!
So I added some more concrete barrier blocks to increase the size of the retaining walls.. a concrete 'Redi-Mix' company near me went out of business, and I was able to score a lot of the concrete blocks for a few bucks.
And I took in two or three extra TT loads of UAE pea coal. Usually I would start the winter with a bit of leftover and a new TT load. But soon I had over 80tons on hand.

Then, I was wandering around at my local lumber yard, and noticed a banded-together stack of roof trusses of to the side, sun bleached, gray, rust from the bands, looking rather lost and forlorn. :) I asked the lumber yard owners what the story was about the trusses: they had been ordered, and were either wrong, or the buyer backed out, or made a change to his building plans.. Whatever, they had been there a few years..
I know the owners of the Lumberyard pretty well, they have taken LOTS of my money over the years.. :shock:
So I asked them, so if you bought them years ago, that means you paid almost nothing for them, right ?? After we all stopped laughing, he looked up the history on them.. and gave me a price on them that was about 1/4 of the current prices.. I went home with some measurements.. put on my 'Rube-Goldberg' hat.. and my McGuiver shirt.. and figured out a way to use trusses on top of the concrete barrier blocks..
I did the same procedure with the shingles.. LOL.. they had some left-over shingles that had had several 'birthdays' at the lumberyard, and I got them cheap..

So I now have a 22x24' coal storage bin, with a roof,

This year I have, like most of us, used a LOT more coal than normal.. And I didn't get a TT load last year. I'll be figuring out a time and breaker to buy a TT load of coal from come spring. I sure wish UAE was still extracting coal.. I'm gonna miss the 6-7% ash content. I won't miss the fines though.

Greg L

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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:33 pm

Carbon12 wrote::shock: Did he say 50-60 TONS of pea on hand . I know where I'm heading when the decade long Polar Vortex sets in! :D


I wouldn't know what a ton of coal looked like if'n it bit me on my arse......but he won't run out this year.....and I wouldn't want to be the fella that tries to walk off with some of it either. That's allz I'm sayin'.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:34 pm

Greg, you seem to have the knack for being in the right place at the right time. I am that guy that's always a day late.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:16 pm

Naw, ya just have to keep looking. you can't win the lottery unless you buy a ticket.. you can't find good deals unless you keep looking for them..
Now, for instance, you found this forum and through it found an old guy who doesn't live too far from you, who will help you cut many corners, and avoid many mistakes that he and others have made..
I think that's a pretty good deal ?? don't you ?? :lol:

Let me know what you found out when you call Family Farm and Fleet and the TSC stores around the area.

Greg L
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:00 pm

LsFarm wrote:Naw, ya just have to keep looking. you can't win the lottery unless you buy a ticket.. you can't find good deals unless you keep looking for them..
Now, for instance, you found this forum and through it found an old guy who doesn't live too far from you, who will help you cut many corners, and avoid many mistakes that he and others have made..
I think that's a pretty good deal ?? don't you ?? :lol:

Let me know what you found out when you call Family Farm and Fleet and the TSC stores around the area.

Greg L


For sure.
I will let you know what I find....i've got a businesses to call this week and someone said an excavation company down in Jackson that has bulk and bagged.

Lots of calls to make...I'll keep you posted.
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:33 pm

Pancho wrote:........... I am that guy that's always a day late.



No sir. You have hit the mother lode, as they say, in being fortunate enough to be close to Greg and he offering to guide you through this whole coal burning ordeal. As they say "been there, done that, and got the T-shirt." I believe Greg has a whole closet full of T-shirts.

You have really lucked out on getting a true coal burning mentor. Who else do you know who used to sit in the cockpit after preflight waiting for takeoff and posting on a coal forum on his own laptop ?? I just wonder how many co pilots and attendants he converted to coal burning ????



Rick
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Re: Slowly but surely getting ready to switch from wood to coal

PostBy: Pancho On: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:27 pm

Rick 386 wrote:
No sir. You have hit the mother lode, as they say, in being fortunate enough to be close to Greg and he offering to guide you through this whole coal burning ordeal. As they say "been there, done that, and got the T-shirt." I believe Greg has a whole closet full of T-shirts.

You have really lucked out on getting a true coal burning mentor. Who else do you know who used to sit in the cockpit after preflight waiting for takeoff and posting on a coal forum on his own laptop ?? I just wonder how many co pilots and attendants he converted to coal burning ????

Rick


Fortunate and lucky.....I was actually talking with a 'coal guy' on an unrelated forum....turns out he's a moderator on this forum and he pointed me in the right direction.

But yes, it couldn't have worked out better for me so far and my jitters are easing. It's all good. :)
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