If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: ShawnTRD On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:24 pm

Home inspector reported it bring 80,000 btu.
ShawnTRD
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA6 (New in April 2014)
Other Heating: Weil Mclain WGO-2 (Net 75k BTU)

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:59 pm

ShawnTRD wrote:Home inspector reported it bring 80,000 btu.


Then a Ka-6 should be fine, and should have enough reserve for DHW.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: ShawnTRD On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:19 pm

lsayre wrote:
ShawnTRD wrote:Home inspector reported it bring 80,000 btu.


Then a Ka-6 should be fine, and should have enough reserve for DHW.


That wasn't the original question. What do you this the estimated savings cost of coal vs fuel oil.
ShawnTRD
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA6 (New in April 2014)
Other Heating: Weil Mclain WGO-2 (Net 75k BTU)


Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:55 pm

My SWAG at it is 1300 gallons of oil at $4 / gal = $5200, while 7 ton of coal at $325 / ton = $2275.

I gave you my super discounted consulting rate of $.02 for this info!! 8-)
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:00 pm

Assuming your cost for anthracite to be approximately $315 per ton:

1 ton coal = $315

164 gallons #2 heating oil (the equivalent of 1 ton of coal) at $3.84/gal. = $630

Coal will be roughly half the cost of oil. And if you can get your coal for less, or if oil costs more, the potential savings are even greater.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:39 pm

I hear the term, "bulk discounts", but don't know what that means. If I buy a ton of coal, I would consider that "bulk". Yet I still get charged as if I bought 1 bag. How many tons do I need to buy, to get the discount rate? Or does it vary amongst suppliers?
joeq
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:42 pm

joeq wrote:I hear the term, "bulk discounts", but don't know what that means. If I buy a ton of coal, I would consider that "bulk". Yet I still get charged as if I bought 1 bag. How many tons do I need to buy, to get the discount rate? Or does it vary amongst suppliers?


Usually a TT load, sometimes two...assuming you are talking about discounts at the breaker.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:59 pm

Well, I guess that leaves me out. I don't have the room for 4-5 yrs worth of coal.
joeq
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: scalabro On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:08 pm

joeq wrote:Well, I guess that leaves me out. I don't have the room for 4-5 yrs worth of coal.


Not if a couple of us local guys split a load.

I know Squire lumber in Monson Ma would do a discount if they could move TT load of Blaschak.

I'm in four 4 or 5 pallets next year.

:up:
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Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford 40, PP Stewart No. 14 in the works.
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired forced hot air

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:28 pm

I'll keep that in mind Scott. Problem is, I use pea.
joeq
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: maurizziot On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:24 pm

lsayre wrote:Annually I displace roughly 23,000 KWH's of electricity with roughly 5.5 to 6 tons (this year) of coal.

Electricity: 23,000 KWH x $0.1315/KWH = $3,025

Coal: 6 tons x $243/ton = $1,485

Annual savings ~= $1,540

Total time estimated to pay back my boiler and all ancillary equipment purchases plus installation charges ~= 4.6 years.


There is no way that 6 tons of coal is equal to 23,000 KWH
maurizziot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure line Coal Stove
Stove/Furnace Model: Pioneer rear vent

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:32 am

20,472 kWh. For 6 tons according to the on forum fuel cost calculator. Since BTU content of coal varies, so will your mileage.
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:51 am

Actually 4.3 tons is much closer to 23,000 KWH

Electricity: 23,000 x 3,412 = 78,476,000 BTU's

Anthracite Coal: 8,600 lbs (4.3 tons) x 12,150 BTU's/Lb. x 0.75 (efficiency) = 78,367,500 BTU's

I toss away 1 ton during the non-heating months just keeping the fire going in the boiler (which is used for DHW).

And this year is so cold that it will certainly take well more than 23,000 KWH's to both heat our house and provide for year round DHW, which will require the remaining 5 tons.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:06 am

According to the fuel cost calculator, I'm saving 72% by using coal over electric. Bodes well for burning the coal boiler over the summer (if possible,...draft, heat in basement) for DHW :D
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: If you weren't burning coal how much would heating cost you

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:48 pm

Just saw diesel for $4.399/gallon. Some of the fuel oil dealers in the area are charging that much or more for a gallon of heating oil. WTF?!!? The diesel has all kinds of highway taxes added on, fuel oil doesn't. It's the same product just dyed red. Price gouging???
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace