For those thinking about propane

For those thinking about propane

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:58 pm

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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:11 pm

When they figure it out it will be summer and some will be laughing all the way to the bank..
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:11 pm

No freaking kidding. I filled up at a special first time new customer price of $1.91. They told me the price was normally $3.04. I recently filled up after using about 35% and it took 211.7 gal. for a price of 825.63 or $3.90/gal. :shock: I am so glad I put in up to 4 electric heaters as the rate is so low here even coal would have to be very low to compete. I am looking to put in duct heaters again, probably before next winter.

Kevin
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:13 pm

Whats a duct heater?
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:16 pm

It is an electric heat element that you can install into the existing duct work and run it off 220 for better efficiency. Plus it blows it around the house like normal instead of having little 1500 watt heaters in several rooms. This brought out the deficiencies in my wires and outlets however and I corrected that.

Kevin
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:17 pm

I would just disable the propane burner and let the blower run on call.

Kevin
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: warminmn On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:21 pm

We have huge ovens where i work that run on NG. They use more then the whole town, Population 600. The state contacts them every day to tell them how much gas we can use the next day, with a huge fine if we go over. So the NG must be running short too. There was a pipeline down but I think that is fixed now. The whole plant was shut down one day last week when the high outside was -8 and windy.
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:26 pm

The last statistics I came across said that 45% of propane comes from the refining of crude oil, and 55% of it comes from separation out of natural gas.

I've mentioned this in other threads, but with fracking and horizontal drilling in the Bakken and Marcellus and Utica shale formations our nation is supposedly producing more oil and natural gas than it has in many decades. One would think that propane would be in plentiful abundance and quite economical as a consequence.
Last edited by lsayre on Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:26 pm

Interesting, you sure must have cheap power.. what ever works, cheaper is better no mater what, well not really, not in the fun factor of burning coal.. For me so far NG is cheapest, but I don't get to enjoy my stove that way.. I have a lot of free wood but it will be gone by next year, after that I still have two ton of coal, but burning / buying more is twice the cost.. Oh the Irony..
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:31 pm

One would think that propane would be in plentiful abundance as a consequence.


I'm sure it is, so what country is it going too..?
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: warminmn On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:40 pm

grumpy wrote:
One would think that propane would be in plentiful abundance as a consequence.


I'm sure it is, so what country is it going too..?


Exactly! We exported crap loads of it, then farmers had wet corn to dry and used a lot, then its a cold winter. Then add greed.
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:40 pm

warminmn wrote:We have huge ovens where i work that run on NG. They use more then the whole town, Population 600. The state contacts them every day to tell them how much gas we can use the next day, with a huge fine if we go over. So the NG must be running short too. There was a pipeline down but I think that is fixed now. The whole plant was shut down one day last week when the high outside was -8 and windy.


75000scfh natural gas burning 24 hrs a day, this is only on one machine. We have 8 :shock:
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:48 pm

Then add greed


Yep, always comes down to that, no matter the subject..
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:52 pm

Exports are going through the roof. The growth is radically exponential to put it mildly.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHa ... REXUS2&f=M

http://archive.indystar.com/article/201 ... siers-cold

And with all of the propane export terminals in current construction this is going to get a lot worse. They can get a bunch more money for it overseas, so why on earth sell it here?
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Re: For those thinking about propane

PostBy: oliver power On: Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:22 pm

grumpy wrote:
One would think that propane would be in plentiful abundance as a consequence.


I'm sure it is, so what country is it going too..?
It's going to China!!! I was just told we sent over a trillion gallons of propane to china. Cell phone was breaking up, so I didn't hear the exact figure. It was over a trillion gallons, and that's why the shortage. But that's nothing. Wait till China gets the 17 new plants built. They will be coming on line the second, or third quarter of this year........ SO HANG ON PEOPLE...........................
http://www.c1energy.com/common/5054086,0,0,0,2.htm
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