Advise for a newby

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:42 pm

bridgebilder2000 wrote:Anyone have any experance or thoughts on the Shaver wood coal boilers? http://outdoor-wood-furnaces.com/products/coal-furnace/

Judging by the number of errors on their site about coal, I would be very careful.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
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Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:58 pm

with southern illinois soft coal, you want an 8 or 10" flue outlet on the appliance, this is important, don't waste your time w/ anything w/ 6".
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: bridgebilder2000 On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:12 pm

franco b wrote:
bridgebilder2000 wrote:Anyone have any experance or thoughts on the Shaver wood coal boilers? http://outdoor-wood-furnaces.com/products/coal-furnace/

Judging by the number of errors on their site about coal, I would be very careful.

I think there are a lot of stoves that claim to burn coal but dont well, thats why im here asking.
bridgebilder2000
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: none yet
Other Heating: propane forced air


Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: bridgebilder2000 On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:32 pm

Found this on ebay. Any thoughts on this beast, good points and bad? http://m.ebay.com/itm/201032258907
bridgebilder2000
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: none yet
Other Heating: propane forced air

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:04 pm

What kind of coal is available to you?

A stoker sure is a nice thing to have but, they are hard to find. Will-Burt makes a residential stoker unit for soft coal but, they are about $7,000 and you still have to marry it to a boiler.
carlherrnstein
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: combustioneer model 77B
Coal Size/Type: pea stoker/Ohio bituminous

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:10 pm

It's too bad you don't have room in the house or basement for an add-on furnace. A combustioneer is about the size your current propain furnace and would sit right next to it nicely. With the high vol red ash southern illinois coals, a combustioneer would work brilliantly and they can be found used for around $1000, sometimes less.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: wsherrick On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:20 pm

Southern Illinois coal is good stuff. It is highly prized as a steam coal. I spent several years burning it at work and at home. It's highly volatile and requires a unit with proper overfire air.
Here is me burning it years ago when I lived there.
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Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:56 pm

wsherrick wrote:Southern Illinois coal is good stuff. It is highly prized as a steam coal. I spent several years burning it at work and at home. It's highly volatile and requires a unit with proper overfire air.
Here is me burning it years ago when I lived there.


Yes, it wants to make heat fast and often has volatile content exceeding 40%. Very popular for spreader stoker plants because of its typical low swelling index and fast ignition (high btu capability per sq foot of grate - can run the grate faster). Much of it does have mid to low aft so you have to watch the clinkers if you fire it too hot. In spreader stoker plants the AFT is usually the limiting factor in btu/sq of grate w/ this coal. Great for stokers, can have a steep learning curve for hand-fired appliances. Nice pic William!
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: bridgebilder2000 On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:03 pm

wsherrick wrote:Southern Illinois coal is good stuff. It is highly prized as a steam coal. I spent several years burning it at work and at home. It's highly volatile and requires a unit with proper overfire air.
Here is me burning it years ago when I lived there.

That pic could be my great grand pa he fired steam engines. Nice!
bridgebilder2000
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: none yet
Other Heating: propane forced air

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:12 pm

Another thing to mention, is, be sure you don't have close neighbors. Bituminous coal in a hand-fired will produce a smell that most are not used to and many will find unpleasant.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: bridgebilder2000 On: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:40 pm

Berlin wrote:Another thing to mention, is, be sure you don't have close neighbors. Bituminous coal in a hand-fired will produce a smell that most are not used to and many will find unpleasant.

1/8 mile are the closest and their the in laws, I smell there wood smoke if the wind is from the west, so no biggie.
bridgebilder2000
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: none yet
Other Heating: propane forced air

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: Willis On: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:36 pm

You defiantly want a stoker if you can find a boiler to mate it to. Shouldn't be that difficult to come by a reasonable used boiler and find a used Will-Burt or Iron Fireman stoker. Will-Burt is still in business and still makes parts. I had also looked into Shaver outdoor furnaces and wanted to put a stoker in one. Will-Burt did the calculations and provided drawings but Shaver was not interested in working with me on the few small modifications required. Then I found a Will-Burt hot air stoker furnace for $500 and have been warm every since!
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Combustioneer 24 FA w/ Will-Burt s-30
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Combustioneer 77, Stokermatic
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Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: bridgebilder2000 On: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:39 pm

I will keep searching. Did EFM give up on there bit project? I was reading about that on here and then it just dried up.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: none yet
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Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: Willis On: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:48 pm

http://altoona.craigslist.org/hsh/4296843913.html
Kind of pricey but sure beats new price.
Willis
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Combustioneer 24 FA w/ Will-Burt s-30
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Combustioneer 77, Stokermatic
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warm Morning 520,521
Coal Size/Type: Washed stoker- Bituminous

Re: Advise for a newby

PostBy: bridgebilder2000 On: Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:47 am

I see it says 30# per hour is that the max rate or will it burn much less? At 30# an hour it would burn $3200 of coal per month @.11cents per lb. What else can you tell me about that unit?
bridgebilder2000
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: none yet
Other Heating: propane forced air