I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:15 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:I can understand the Attraction,Larry......What my History tells me,what really left a Mark on me,was when the rug got pulled out from under the N.G. Customers feet. It was the late 60's into the 70's that the price spiked through the Roof. I've said before that I remember all the Greenhouse Operations that forever closed down. I remember Folks running Colder Homes. My Dad worked for the old East Ohio Gas Co. He had no good opinion about what was going on ! Try to remember that You can opportune buy Coal in the Summer Moments and Store Indefinitely on Your Property. After this Tough Year,that Window may be Drastically Shorter,but may still exist. You can't store N.G. for Personal Use. When Coal's bought and Paid for,it's Yours to use. You Control. You Secure. Sure,it's only Money! :lol: ,but when You need it,it's there. You Are Warm! :up: You've also,through the Mechanism of Stockpiling,secured some Peace Of Mind! There's Folks right now,that wished they'd of pushed the Stockpiling Envelope a Few More Tons to Secure Their Heat. You've done well to come so far,so fast,Larry! You're a Definite Asset To This Board,and You Provide Many Thought Provoking Posts to Wake Many from Their "Heads In The Sand Slumber" ! Carry On,Holmes!! :up: :gee:


Lots of wisdom there! I need to replace my burned out "back up" resistance boiler. I may consider replacing it with one of those small "hang on the wall" high efficiency propane units that can be converted to natural gas if it ever comes down our street. It would have to be able to vent out of a PVC pipe, as the coal boiler has the chimney tied up.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:04 pm

Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:51 pm

McGiever wrote:Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?


It went "boom" and smoke came out, and it hasn't worked since.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)


Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:17 am

I prefer the term "toast" :lol: :lol:
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: McGiever On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:05 am

lsayre wrote:
McGiever wrote:Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?


It went "boom" and smoke came out, and it hasn't worked since.



Should be repairable...only electrical repairs.
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: blrman07 On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:13 am

lsayre wrote:
McGiever wrote:Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?


It went "boom" and smoke came out, and it hasn't worked since.


Ahhh the factory installed smoke came out and the factory is all out of replacement smoke.

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.
blrman07
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
Hand Fed Coal Stove: installing a VC 2310
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Wood in the VC and anything that will fit in the Bucket a Day. It's not fussy.

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:23 am

Carbon12 wrote:I think Sting recently poster NG reserves are down and prices are going up. It is still dirt cheap though! :mad:


It will be a few months before you see the affects of the cost especially if it doesn't drop as fast as it went up.

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Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:26 am

dcrane wrote:
yes... NG prices are on the rise, but right now people wont even buy houses unless they have NG available! soon enough the carpet will be PULLED OUT FROM UNDER THEIR FEET toothy


There is poll here somewhere I started, only 25% of those that voted had access to natural gas.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: Sting On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:23 am

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"It Depends"
Sting
 
Other Heating: BurnHAM=NG-gas

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: mwcougar On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:27 am

I have to say I miss the forum and coal :) I wish I new about coal sooner than I did..... I would have it installed in one of my outside sheds
(ahs 130) here in town and heat my garage and house..... but I had a concrete driveway put in and no way to run pipes from garage to house.
but I did use coal boiler to heat 2 houses , a shed and domestic hot water for my apartments.... 3 bedroom family units..... had enough coal for 10 years stored......from all over the anthracite region..... harmony,hudson,south tamaqua coal pockets,little buck, and lenigh..... coal was a life saver on the business... I provided the heat......then came the kitchen grease fire...... and now its all a pavilion and cabin.....

natural gas..... wow what can I say... been using it for 22years now in my house.... see then good bad and ugly..... started at 2dollars 1000 therm ...
gas company ran pipe to house..... I installed gas hot water and wall nonvented heater....... later a hot water boiler and storage unit.... pex floor heat and baseboard back up... and ran line to garage and put in a furnace..... heat garage to 50 all the time house 74 main living space.... basement about 70 house total 2000sq feet well insulated..... garage 900 sq feet.... half ceiling insulation......10 foot ceilings..... last gas bill was 180 dollars.... will be more this month I think...... valley cities gas I think is close to 7 dollars cubic therm 1000..... they locked this in contract when gas hit 15 dollars when oil hit 148 dollars...... remember that bs..... any way house cost was 379 a month then... so as others say..... having coal is the way.... if i would have know I would have put in a heated driveway..... give that boiler something to do..... the ahs-130 is a great brain dead boiler..... I would not put it in my house tho.... a shed yes..... everyone here knows why..... found my rc damper to many times against my shed wall......just left the damn thing off.... 12x12 shed... 6 foot door.... and vented..... know one living in it...... kept a good draft on boiler.....

anyway I used close to 9 tons ayear on the apartments..... I believe it would be close to 6 - 7 tons for house..... apartments 3700 total sqfeet house and garage 2900 sq feet...... problem of storage of coal and ashes here in towm would be hard... 1/4 acre.... apartment 9 acres.... so never moved boiler to town..... right now I guesss its ok..... gas 180 a month..... coal 170-210.... counting diesel .......still always thinking.........
mwcougar
 
Stove/Furnace Make: ahs 130 heating 3700sq ft

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:35 pm

McGiever wrote:Should be repairable...only electrical repairs.


Possibly, but I'm guessing the unit is 20 or more years old at this juncture. I've had the house for 13 years, and it looked to have been old and well used when we moved into the house.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:36 pm

Does it leak?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:37 pm

blrman07 wrote:Ahhh the factory installed smoke came out and the factory is all out of replacement smoke.

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.


They used to refer to is as magical smoke I believe. :lol:
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:37 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Does it leak?


No leaks. Still hooked up, just doesn't work.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: I didn't realize that natural gas would be this inexpensive

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:40 pm

Ever price out how much new electrodes would run you? I'm guessing those are the only things on the boiler that could go boom. :shock:
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace