Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

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Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: D Pizzoferrato On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:05 pm

Been a lurker here for about 4 heating seasons and finally decided to register.

Over the years, I've used both Reading and Blaschak nut in my Hitzer insert. I had better results with Reading, and as I travel to Washington Pa from eastern Ohio to pick it up, I don't pay any sales tax ($310 Ton out the door).

I began this year with about 15 50lb bags left from last year. I picked up my first palletized ton about 8 weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised to see that it was 40lb bags with the handle in the top seam (white bags). This stuff burned like it always has with consistent size and consistent ash.

When I picked up my second palletized ton two weeks ago, the bags were now black; still 40 lbs and still have the handle, but there's a problem. It seems as if 1/3 of each bag is a frozen slurry of dust and fines. The contents are far from uniform. In addition to the struggle of breaking up this frozen mass, I'm also burning 2 bags per day instead of my usual 1 bag. The ash that I dump twice per day nearly fills my pan. It is at least twice the amount that I've normally had to deal with.

Did someone on the bagging line have a bad day? Did I get a random bad batch? Am I purposely being sold a couple of gallons of water per bag?

Anyone else with these issues. I may have to go back to Blaschak.
D Pizzoferrato
 
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: maurizziot On: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:18 pm

You know how much a couple of gallons of water is? Santa Claus coal has been terrible this year
My Reading has burned 20% hot and half the ash content. I would stay with reading.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: lewis On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:06 am

To the best of my Knowledge Reading has not changed the color of the Bag,, are you sure its Reading ?
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:39 am

A while back someone else had the same issue and contacted Reading about it, they said that they had some problems with their new bagging system and it created excessive fines in some of the bags. If you can't work with it I suggest you talk to your dealer about it.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: dcrane On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:20 am

Rob R. wrote:A while back someone else had the same issue and contacted Reading about it, they said that they had some problems with their new bagging system and it created excessive fines in some of the bags. If you can't work with it I suggest you talk to your dealer about it.


Rob is right... I too remember others having this issue... if your getting 10lbs of a dust/water mix in most the bags call the dealer and call reading and ask for "relief"/ "remedy" of some kind to make it "right"/"fair". maybe a discount on your next load, maybe a credit from reading, etc.

Ive noticed that earlier season Blaschak was like gold, recent Blaschak not quite as good (Im hoping thats not a tell tail for next seasons Blaschak)... but in NO WAY have I ever seen Blaschak loaded with fines or "junk" like your describing :cry: The worst batches of Blaschak is better than anything else Ive found thus far.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:30 am

Welcome D Pizzoferrato, come' stai? Anyway...at the beginning of the season I purchased (the wife) :lol: got a load of reading pea in the white bags, I wanted nut but I figured I would give it a try and soon after thought it was the cat's meow with quality, heat out put, and most of all how clean it was. The coal was in the older white bags with no handle and may have been left over due to the "look " of the bags (dealer said not many of his customers burned pea)
Then as the weather got colder my second pallet was reading nut $289.00 plus $15.00 delivery and there is no comparison. Although it burns well but not great like in the past with Blaschack 'nut. This coal is littered with pieces of belt in every bag and a half pound of powder in almost every bag, that equates to at least a bag of crap per ton. I told my dealer, he's a nice guy and very conscientious and he made me take a couple bags of coal and apologized but I realize he is just the middleman and will stick with him! There has only been a couple times this cold winter that my fire got choked down with fines and I can live with that, 3 plus years and still learning so chaulk one up to still saving money and staying warm! :)
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: Scottaw On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:56 pm

I got a load of reading today, and it was pretty sloppy. Lots of fines and frozen coal powder. It all burns, just a bit messier to deal with. My shovel-man picked through it to get me some cleaner stuff.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: KingCoal918 On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:23 pm

Rob R. wrote:A while back someone else had the same issue and contacted Reading about it, they said that they had some problems with their new bagging system and it created excessive fines in some of the bags. If you can't work with it I suggest you talk to your dealer about it.


Yep, that was me.

I have about 18 bags left of a palletized short ton, and man am I tired of shifting the fines out. maybe 1 in 10 has been good nut, the rest have been 50% nut, 40% pea and rice, and 10% fines.

So, yes, please contact Reading. I did and got a call back with apologies (full report in a previous post), and was told they contacted my dealer, who said he'd give me a credit. Still, it's a PITA, f'ing around screening this every day, and collecting the culm and fines in a bin, now about 6" deep. Lots of wood chunks as well, and even found a mangled rag in today's bag.

I guess what bothers me the most is, I'm not getting all the heat I should be, and all the extra effort is a whole rigamarole I don't need.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:51 pm

I feel for yah KingCoal918, I got a couple bags of that crap and then the ton slowly improved, my guess is it was a work in progress as the end of the ton is looking clean. My next load will be pea size as the weather will slowly improve by then and chances are it will be Blaschack.
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Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: Ed.A On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:43 am

All I can say is...WOW. Not a good product.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: KingCoal918 On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:14 am

I might also mention that in addition to the box of fines I've been collecting, I also have a half-filled Reading bag as well.

Anyone want to start a fish tank filter business?
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: D Pizzoferrato On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:05 pm

That looks like what I'm dealing with plus the addition of water. Most of my bags are a frozen mass that look as if it was filled with a slurry mix. The occasional good bag is a bonus. I've gotten to the point that as I pull a frozen one off the stack, I give it 3 or 4 well aimed tosses to the pavement to break things up enough to get it out of the bag into the hod. The bags that aren't frozen solid have, as you pointed out, all of the fines and dust, "glued" to the good pieces.

Thanks for the validation. I'll contact Reading. As I routinely run 6 weeks per ton (pallet), I'll know what my deficit is based on the calendar date when I run through this pallet.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: KingCoal918 On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:53 pm

I've been bringing 4 bags at a time into the shop, so they're thawing out before I need to open them.

I had complained to the dealer that they were all water-logged, and he scoffed, saying that coal is always wet, it still burns, get over it. Fair enough, but still. And actually, it's a good thing, because if those fines were dry, as I screen them, the dust would be choking. I don't need bl4ck lµng too, the fly ash is enough for me...
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:17 pm

KingCoal918 wrote:
Rob R. wrote:A while back someone else had the same issue and contacted Reading about it, they said that they had some problems with their new bagging system and it created excessive fines in some of the bags. If you can't work with it I suggest you talk to your dealer about it.


Yep, that was me.

I have about 18 bags left of a palletized short ton, and man am I tired of shifting the fines out. maybe 1 in 10 has been good nut, the rest have been 50% nut, 40% pea and rice, and 10% fines.

So, yes, please contact Reading. I did and got a call back with apologies (full report in a previous post), and was told they contacted my dealer, who said he'd give me a credit. Still, it's a PITA, f'ing around screening this every day, and collecting the culm and fines in a bin, now about 6" deep. Lots of wood chunks as well, and even found a mangled rag in today's bag.

I guess what bothers me the most is, I'm not getting all the heat I should be, and all the extra effort is a whole rigamarole I don't need.


You need to pelletize all those fines... sucks to have to screen 'em out.
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Re: Anyone having Reading issues with the new Black Bagged stuff

PostBy: KingCoal918 On: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:33 am

davidmcbeth3 wrote:[You need to pelletize all those fines... sucks to have to screen 'em out.


yeah well that's kinda what I've thought, but by what means.
would fines actually fuse into a cake, and under how much pressure?

I could get a cheap arbor press at Harbor Freight, but then what.
pay to have a sleeve and plunger set machined to fit. probably not going to happen.
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