More Fuku-shima radioactive leaks....

More Fuku-shima radioactive leaks....

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:47 am

This one is 100 metric tons of contaminated water....how contaminated you ask.....

Well the limit for this particular contamination is 30 parts per liter of water.....
this stuff is just a little higher at 230 MILLION parts per liter of water :shock:

But don't worry, they assure everyone that it cannot reach the ocean....yeah right!
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Re: More Fuku-shima radioactive leaks....

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:02 pm

There is absolutely no way that problem is going to go away. They are going to have to eventually abandon efforts to contain leaking radiation. The scope of the contamination is so huge, only time,....like in a geological time frame, will fix the problem. It's going to get a lot worse before it stops getting worse and simply remains horrible. :(
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Re: More Fuku-shima radioactive leaks....

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:09 pm

I'm speculating as to the actual amounts but there are probably, if you include soil, water and wreckage, millions or billions of tons of material so radioactive, there is no where to put it, for hundreds of thousands of years. Even if you bury the site under a mile of concrete, the surrounding area will not be safe. For all practical purposes,.....forever. Also, what happens when,....not if,....they have another earthquake and tsunami? It's possible the whole area could sink into the sea. Then what happens???
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Re: More Fuku-shima radioactive leaks....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:17 pm

Why don't they just employ the Russians, they seem to have gone through this whole containment process before and have it down pretty well. Aren't the Japanese supposed to be so technology focused? Why are they complete idiots when it comes to this? Seriously, if the Russians were able to contain a massive reactor leak in the 1980's then surely the Japanese could contain one in 2014.

Yes, I understand Russia is currently facing a dilemma with Chernobyl right now and are rethinking their containment but the sarcophagus worked for what....30 years and now it needs replacement.
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PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:26 pm

The two are different, they are or have built another sarcophagus over the old one..

http://rt.com/news/chernobyl-new-safe-confinement-773/
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PostBy: samhill On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:32 pm

Chernobyl was no where near the problem that the Japanese have & it was no where near the ocean. It is going to have to be fixed again as well & I use the word fix but it's just temporary there is no known fix. We have reactors on our coastline & on faults as well just waiting for disaster, we have leaks & even after billions of dollars have no way or place to store waste, just kick that can & maybe nothing will happen, maybe.
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PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:42 pm

Also the Russians were willing to use/sacrifice thousands of prisoners to do the cleanup to the point they could build the containment vessel.
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Re: More Fuku-shima radioactive leaks....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:47 pm

titleist1 wrote:Also the Russians were willing to use/sacrifice thousands of prisoners to do the cleanup to the point they could build the containment vessel.


I'm not going to pretend I know a whole lot about Fukishima (sp?) or Chernobyl but I'm guessing you are referring to the "Liquidators" Russia employed during the clean-up and building of the containment vessel. As far as I knew none of them were prisoners. Yes, there were thousands of people who helped with the control, containment and cleanup but I do not know if any of them were prisoners. Most of them were employees of the reactors, first responders, media personnel, civil defense personnel which also included the military and air force, there were some civilians that helped and scientists. I think I even read it was coal miners that actually started work on the original containment vessel.

I understand Chernobyl is not "fixed". Which is why I said that they were still dealing with issues. I do believe they are in the process of building the new sarcophagus around the reactor at Chernobyl.

I know they are both different situations but maybe the Russians can offer some sort of input on how to possibly deal with it.
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PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:20 pm

Just recently to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Russian constitution amnesty was granted to thousands of prisoners from different categories one of which was the prisoners that served as 'liquidators' cleaning up Chernobyl. (If they were still alive).
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PostBy: franco b On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:00 pm

Some pictures from the abandoned area around Chernobyl that I found poignant.
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PostBy: franco b On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:01 pm

Some pictures from the abandoned area around Chernobyl that I found poignant.
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PostBy: oros35 On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:05 pm

The general public doesn't understand radiation and what a "radioactive leak" is. And the media makes it 100 times worse because drama sells.

I'm a senior nuclear specialist/engineer working at a nuclear plant. A couple months ago I was standing on top of the reactor looking for leaks. And by leaks I mean 1 single drop of water is too much. In comparison, the amount of radiation exposure I got was less than you would get on a commercial flight across the country.

Radioactive material is no different than pollution. The only difference is radioactivity 'sounds scary' but we have accepted pollution from cars and factories. The net effect is the same, given a high enough concentration, they can cause health problems and death.
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