Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: Rice Burner On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:24 pm

The company will not respond. Shame it is a great stove.
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Coal Size/Type: rice
Stove/Furnace Make: harman
Stove/Furnace Model: dvc-500

Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: 009to090 On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:06 pm

I wouldn't trade mine for anything.
Maybe the LL guys will buy the rights, and continue producing them? :D ;) :idea: :idea: :idea:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520 HighBoy
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: DVC-500 x 2
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Rice

Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: Rice Burner On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:31 pm

I bought mine in 09 and give it a bug hug every time the oil truck does not stop at my house. But if it goes I will not stick with Harman because a auto stoker is the only way to go IMO.
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Stove/Furnace Model: dvc-500

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Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:31 pm

Pretty stove, throws out the heat real well but too unreliable due to the principle of operation and poor quality electronic components. Degree of control is not up to coaltrol standards so windowstats are needed in the shoulder seasons. However, prettiest stove of them all and my living room choice if I wanted a stove in the living room which I don't. The fan noise drove me crazy so now I'm in love with my quiet, pug ugly Hitzer. Of course, the Hitzer fan has never been connected nor has it needed to as it runs rings around the Harman. The reason for the cancellation? HNI do not what to sell anything that can't be thrown together in China for very little money and forgotten about once it's out the door and that has become very obvious. Do you really want to be stuck in bitchen weather with a stove the manufacturer could not care about? It's apparently the same for the excellent VF(?)3000.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93,
Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:53 pm

My guess is the volume of sales not there and the industry preferred mark up %s are not there with coal units. Also a reason a lot of dealers push pellet, wood and gas units. I would love to get the volume and % / unit they get in other parts of the industry, Maybe then I could get the new tires for our corporate jet. Most if not all the Harman products are still made in Halifax PA. Dane I believe still has some involvement I would hope he still has some say.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
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Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:50 pm

Flyer5 wrote:My guess is the volume of sales not there and the industry preferred mark up %s are not there with coal units. Also a reason a lot of dealers push pellet, wood and gas units. I would love to get the volume and % / unit they get in other parts of the industry, Maybe then I could get the new tires for our corporate jet. Most if not all the Harman products are still made in Halifax PA. Dane I believe still has some involvement I would hope he still has some say.


Dont get me going Mr. toothy ... Dane was great guy who did so much! (brings tears to my eyes)... but make no mistake, he's a puppet with a no compete clause and very strict guidelines.
HNI keeping the money in PA is a joke, im not going down this road again but the writing has been on the wall since the buy out (Its Mexico, China, Cheaper products, Increased prices and bottom lines) and thats about all im gonna say on this subject again, They are pretty.... but LL could do that too and keep the quality and the American :taz:
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Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:56 am

Dane I believe still has some involvement I would hope he still has some say.


Sure he does, like only the other day new toilet paper had to be ordered. The wonderful old Harman has gone forever and I hope Dane made his pile selling out.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: Stoker6268 On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:40 am

Seems to me like they are on the pellet band wagon. Seems like they don't even promote or support their wood and coal products anymore. Went to a local fair a few years ago. Harman Dealer there. Had only pellet stoves on display. Asked about coal. Said "oh you don't want coal, that's old school". You want one of these pellet stoves! Yeah that's right coal is old school and it works! Too bad more people don't see it. Seems like they all fall for the pellet hype.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93

Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: captcaper On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:55 pm

You guys who claim Harman is made in China are way off. You don't know anything. Nor have you bothered to read posts here recently from Harman's financial reports. They don't make any part of the stove or components in China or any were overseas.
Only their office furniture. So please stop saying that they make stuff over there as you look like narrow minded folks who keep flapping their gums saying stuff they don't know anything about and littering up our posts.
You are so jealous of Harman it's pathetic.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman Super Magnum
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Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: BurningRocks On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:34 pm

I love my DVC-500 and was disappointed to find it had been discontinued. It appears that Harman has seriously curtailed their coal offerings in favor of their pellet stoves. I asked customer support about parts and received an email stating they would have parts for a minimum of ten years. I have no experience with Harman service as I do all my own work and only need access to (expensive) parts. I hope when the time comes to replace mine, there is an attractive direct vent option on the market as I don't like the extra complexity and cost of a power vent and don't have a chimney.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: DVC 500
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: HWBB Oil

Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: steveyrock On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:42 pm

I was told by a Harman dealer that the political climate towards coal is the reason Hearth and Home technologies discontinued the VF3000 boiler and they would be thinking about changes for the entire coal appliance line they offer.When your in the manufacturing business you got to be out ahead of changing regulations and rethink your product line so your ready to roll in an uncertain environment.

I noticed that for central heating they offer a pellet boiler and hot air furnace.The rest are wood slash coal hand fed boilers and hot air units.No dedicated coal stokers except in the stove section.That kind of tells the story about their concerns.
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Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:57 pm

steveyrock wrote:I was told by a Harman dealer that the political climate towards coal is the reason Hearth and Home technologies discontinued the VF3000 boiler and they would be thinking about changes for the entire coal appliance line they offer.


I was thinking the same thing.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:30 pm

What they think they can sell pretty much dictates what any company makes. Relative to the pellet stove sales coal is probably very minor.
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Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: scalabro On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:26 pm

It's great news for the other manufacturers of similar stoves.
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Re: Why did Harman drop the DVC-500?

PostBy: captcaper On: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:05 am

I bet it's got to do with demand and production costs. Let's face it most of America doesn't use coal in their homes so were in the minority it seems to me. And most don't use Direct Venting. To open a production line and train workers for a stove that doesn't sell much is probably why Harman dropped it I think. Let's face it if they were making a ton of money off it it would be on their front cover. Concentrating on stoves that sell is good for Harman and good for us who have Harman products.
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