Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:13 am

Richard S. wrote:
There has to be law, how can you prevent the delivery of a fuel to a house? On the other hand I'm not sure how you would enforce such a law. Call the cops but I wouldn't rely on their opinion. If they can't resolve it take it to the council, they should be more than willing to listen and have the solicitor research it. At the very least they should be able to post a temporary no parking zone once a month, that may be the only possible solution.




Yes do not rely on a cop's opinion.

If it were me, I'd contact the district attorney's office in your county. Or possibly the attorney general's office. Ask for the consumer protection division or something along those lines. They are the ones who would prosecute the case against the neighbor. If THEY feel a law has been broken, they will direct the police to arrest the individual. The police would have no say whether they feel it is correct or not. They would only be following the directives of the D.A.



But I'm still up for a pizza and beer night !!!!! And I do like hockey. USA Olympic gold medal game at noon today.



Rick
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:48 am

rberq wrote:True, but he says his coal supplier has cheerfully worked around the problem and delivered coal.


As someone that has delivered working around the problem is scheduling it when a car is not going to be there. I can tell you that is a huge problem if you keep showing up and there is no way to make the delivery, anyone delivering isn't going to keep taking it back. It's not like an oil truck where you can just take it to the next house on the schedule. To make money in this business you need to carefully schedule your deliveries so you aren't running all over the place and you're leaving the breaker with full load going to the same area. If that load is sitting in front of the next delivery or even two deliveries that's two or three deliveries that are already messed up just for starters and possibly the rest of the day, then there is weight tickets to deal with.... *censored* happens but if it's constant issue you can't just keep doing it. If I was in this position after the second time I'd have to tell the customer it has to go somewhere if I can't get it to the window like dumped on a tarp or I'm not going to bring it especially for a one ton delivery. Matter of fact when I was delivering the ETA on one ton delivery was when it got there.


I used to take a lot of long deliveries and I had my go to customers I knew I could take coal too at any time, it was the only way you could operate with the long hauls but that's still a lot of lost time and sometimes a huge loss of money because you might end up having to offer someone a huge break to take it.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:52 am

MarkG wrote:The problem for them is that they have to worry about the liability of damaging someone's vehicle by putting the chute over the hood, dropping something on the vehicle, etc. and at some point, they're going to deem it not worth the risk.


I wouldn't do that unless it was the customers car and they told me too...
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: MarkG On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:03 pm

Richard S. wrote:
rberq wrote:True, but he says his coal supplier has cheerfully worked around the problem and delivered coal.


As someone that has delivered working around the problem is scheduling it when a car is not going to be there. I can tell you that is a huge problem if you keep showing up and there is no way to make the delivery, anyone delivering isn't going to keep taking it back. It's not like an oil truck where you can just take it to the next house on the schedule. To make money in this business you need to carefully schedule your deliveries so you aren't running all over the place and you're leaving the breaker with full load going to the same area. If that load is sitting in front of the next delivery or even two deliveries that's two or three deliveries that are already messed up just for starters and possibly the rest of the day, then there is weight tickets to deal with.... *censored* happens but if it's constant issue you can't just keep doing it. If I was in this position after the second time I'd have to tell the customer it has to go somewhere if I can't get it to the window like dumped on a tarp or I'm not going to bring it especially for a one ton delivery. Matter of fact when I was delivering the ETA on one ton delivery was when it got there.


I used to take a lot of long deliveries and I had my go to customers I knew I could take coal too at any time, it was the only way you could operate with the long hauls but that's still a lot of lost time and sometimes a huge loss of money because you might end up having to offer someone a huge break to take it.


And this is exactly my fear. There aren't many coal suppliers that deliver one ton (believe me, if I could order more at one time, I would) and this place even offers a discount for more than one ton. I like this place, their coal, their drivers, etc. Nothing bad to say about them. Like I said, and like you know first hand, this will eventually become a problem and I don't want to do that to them. They never give a time for delivery. Basically, no matter what you order, it gets there when it gets there.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: MarkG On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:11 pm

Richard S. wrote:
MarkG wrote:The problem for them is that they have to worry about the liability of damaging someone's vehicle by putting the chute over the hood, dropping something on the vehicle, etc. and at some point, they're going to deem it not worth the risk.


I wouldn't do that unless it was the customers car and they told me too...


They didn't have the chute directly over the hood of the Jeep, and doubt they would have delivered the coal if they had to, but the fact that they had to get their equipment anywhere near a parked vehicle that wasn't ours is enough cause for concern on their part and I know they're not going to be so accommodating about it if it happens every time. I know I certainly wouldn't do it either.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: BerksBoiler On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:12 pm

I lived in Mt. Carmel (just up the line from Frackville) for awhile and totally sympathize with you about crappy neighbors. We lived in a double-block and the people on the other half were total jerks. Four little yippy dogs that they left out every time I was in my back yard. The dogs would pace the fence and bark at me till I started shooting them with the garden hose. There were four parking spots in front of our house. We had two cars - they had three. If I would run to the store for 5 frickin' minutes - guess who's van would be parked in my spot when I got back? Everytime. She would move it 4 spots down just to be in front of our house. She didn't work. What an a$$hole! And noise! Their tween daughter was having a raging kegger when the parents were away and I had to be up for work at 4 AM. Banging on the wall didn't help - I finally went over with my bathrobe on at 1 AM and banged on the door. Some jerk-off answered and wanted to know who I was. I said "I'm the neighbor who is gonna call the cops if you don't kill the music and keep it down". As soon as my door closed, those teens poured out of that house like it was on fire.

Good luck with those neighbors of yours. Keep it legal but you might have to be forceful - anyone from Skook can tell you that sometimes the coal-crackers can be dense.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: Pacowy On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:16 pm

MarkG wrote: They never give a time for delivery. Basically, no matter what you order, it gets there when it gets there.


It seems like in your neighborhood, where parking is tight, this could be a problem no matter who your neighbors are, esp.in winter.

Have you looked into the possibility of applying for a curb cut to create a small driveway/parking area immediately to the "right" of the house? I noted in the pic that the curbing is different in that area - was that a driveway in the past? With a curb cut people can't lawfully park to block it, and the delivery truck could get an unobstructed shot at your bin intake.

Mike
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: MarkG On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:28 pm

Pacowy wrote:
MarkG wrote: They never give a time for delivery. Basically, no matter what you order, it gets there when it gets there.


It seems like in your neighborhood, where parking is tight, this could be a problem no matter who your neighbors are, esp.in winter.

Have you looked into the possibility of applying for a curb cut to create a small driveway/parking area immediately to the "right" of the house? I noted in the pic that the curbing is different in that area - was that a driveway in the past? With a curb cut people can't lawfully park to block it, and the delivery truck could get an unobstructed shot at your bin intake.

Mike


No, it wasn't a driveway. There used to be another house where the yard is, with a walkway between mine and that one where the gate is. I have, prior to all this happening, considered making the front portion of my yard off-street parking with the intention of eventually putting a bigger garage right next to the house, however this is long term.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: Pacowy On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:33 pm

MarkG wrote: No, it wasn't a driveway. There used to be another house where the yard is, with a walkway between mine and that one where the gate is. I have, prior to all this happening, considered making the front portion of my yard off-street parking with the intention of eventually putting a bigger garage right next to the house, however this is long term.


If your design is far enough along that you could get at least the curb cut, it seems like you'd be addressing the coal delivery problem even if the garage needs to wait.

Mike
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:35 pm

Tell your neighbor, if you can't buy coal to keep the wife warm during the day, . . your buying her a drum set. ;)

Paul
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:39 pm

Pacowy is onto something, and I'll add to it. At the end of the porch, just inside the gate, can you cut another window in there for coal delivery?

P.S. Not exactly sure where the coal storage is.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: MarkG On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:46 pm

Pacowy wrote:
MarkG wrote: No, it wasn't a driveway. There used to be another house where the yard is, with a walkway between mine and that one where the gate is. I have, prior to all this happening, considered making the front portion of my yard off-street parking with the intention of eventually putting a bigger garage right next to the house, however this is long term.


If your design is far enough along that you could get at least the curb cut, it seems like you'd be addressing the coal delivery problem even if the garage needs to wait.

Mike


It's only in the mental image/pipe dreaming stages of planning right now :P But now would be a good time to at least inquire about it.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: MarkG On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:49 pm

SWPaDon wrote:Pacowy is onto something, and I'll add to it. At the end of the porch, just inside the gate, can you cut another window in there for coal delivery?

P.S. Not exactly sure where the coal storage is.


This is an option I've considered as well since the bin is directly under the porch and there's plenty of room there to cut a new hole. At this point, it's seeming like the most likely solution to resolve the problem quickly and with the least amount of headaches involved.
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:04 pm

Have the neighborhood pitch in...
Buy them out...
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Re: Problem with coal delivery and neighbors

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:06 pm

I've only ever seen my coal truck deliver straight back from the chute. Can the chute be turned 90 degrees to the back of the truck and deliver sideways?
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