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delivery seemed light

PostBy: mikereliant On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:21 pm

This is my second season using a coal stoker and I have been getting my delivery from the same company for two seasons now. I had two tons delivered today and my bin was made to hold two tons exactly. I had about a little under 1/4 ton in the bin and wanted to get the delivery today because my driveway was finally in good shape after the warm temps we had. I new it would overflow the bin but I figured I'd just deal with and get the delivery today. The coal was delivered today and even with the existing coal still in the bin it didn't come close to to the top of the bin. I guess what I'm asking is how do I tell my supplier in a tactful way that I believe I got shorted on the delivery? I always get two tons delivered so I know for sure it was way short today. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Stove/Furnace Make: leisure line
Stove/Furnace Model: pocono

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:34 pm

mikereliant wrote:This is my second season using a coal stoker and I have been getting my delivery from the same company for two seasons now. I had two tons delivered today and my bin was made to hold two tons exactly. I had about a little under 1/4 ton in the bin and wanted to get the delivery today because my driveway was finally in good shape after the warm temps we had. I new it would overflow the bin but I figured I'd just deal with and get the delivery today. The coal was delivered today and even with the existing coal still in the bin it didn't come close to to the top of the bin. I guess what I'm asking is how do I tell my supplier in a tactful way that I believe I got shorted on the delivery? I always get two tons delivered so I know for sure it was way short today. Any advice would be appreciated.


I've used 4 different anthracite pea coals to date, and they have ranged from only 37-38 lbs per 5 gal pail to 42-43 lbs. per 5 gal. pail. My current supply is coming in nicely at 40 lbs. per 5 gallon pail.

Weigh it and see if it is super dense stuff. if it is, lots more will fit into the same area.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:59 pm

[quote="lsayre"]I've used 4 different anthracite pea coals to date, and they have ranged from only 37-38 lbs per 5 gal pail to 42-43 lbs. per 5 gal. pail. My current supply is coming in nicely at 40 lbs. per 5 gallon pail.

Weigh it and see if it is super dense stuff. if it is, lots more will fit into the same area.[/quote]

Don't you mean "less" will fit in the same area? A lb.of lead takes up less space that a lb.of feathers!
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

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Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: mikereliant On: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:00 pm

Larry, thanks for the quick reply. I weighed it and a five gallon bucket weighs in at 42.6 , thanks for the density lesson. It saved me from looking like an idiot to a very reliable coal company.
mikereliant
 
Stove/Furnace Make: leisure line
Stove/Furnace Model: pocono

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:49 am

Yes ma, that's what he meant ;)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:16 am

I had this issue also when I was using 55 drums to transport coal. I suspected the same thing. I noticed the following year that my barrels were nearly 50 pounds heavier. It turned out the red ash coal was heavier than the white ash coal. It was also saturated with fines which took up space between the nut size pieces and added mass to the same volume..

michaelanthony wrote:Don't you mean "less" will fit in the same area? A lb.of lead takes up less space that a lb.of feathers!

Larry got this right didn't he?
More (higher density coal) will fit in the same area (volume).. :)


mikereliant wrote:Larry, thanks for the quick reply. I weighed it and a five gallon bucket weighs in at 42.6 , thanks for the density lesson. It saved me from looking like an idiot to a very reliable coal company.

Did you subtract the weight of the bucket? 2-3 pounds?
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:13 am

Yes Lightning, more coal by WEIGHT will fit in the same vessel, but when observing his bin after delivery it looked light by volume, density = mass / volume.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:01 am

Oh.... :lol: .... I was looking at it from the other side....

Perspective inversion...
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:04 am

Lee, if you try to turn this into a 5 page topic---I'm comin over there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: toothy
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
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Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:08 am

Oh yeah? I can still run pretty fast. Watch this..

:out:
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: GaryFerg On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:38 am

I have wondered this myself. Its the dealers word pretty much on the weight they are delivering. Are they regulated/monitored by weights and measures? In the beginning of the season I received 6 tons I usually get 5. It seemed like it wasn't enough to me.
GaryFerg
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Energy King boiler
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harmon TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: oil

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:00 pm

Here ya go! toothy

Firstly weigh your piece of coal to get the mass in kilograms.

Then when you put the coal in the water, just force it slowly under the surface until all the coal is submerged in the water, collect the water which overflows from your containing, this gives you your volume.

Density can be calculated from-:

Density = Mass / Volume

or the other option is to look it up..........
Density of Coal may vary, depends on the type (structure) and form. Below are some density of coal :

- Coal, Anthracite, solid 1.506 gr/ml

- Coal, Anthracite, broken 1.105 gr/ml

- Coal, Bituminous, solid 1.346 gr/ml

- Coal, Bituminous, broken 0.833 gr/ml
from Wikianswers.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:37 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Here ya go! toothy

Firstly weigh your piece of coal to get the mass in kilograms.

Then when you put the coal in the water, just force it slowly under the surface until all the coal is submerged in the water, collect the water which overflows from your containing, this gives you your volume.

Density can be calculated from-:

Density = Mass / Volume

or the other option is to look it up..........
Density of Coal may vary, depends on the type (structure) and form. Below are some density of coal :

- Coal, Anthracite, solid 1.506 gr/ml

- Coal, Anthracite, broken 1.105 gr/ml

- Coal, Bituminous, solid 1.346 gr/ml

- Coal, Bituminous, broken 0.833 gr/ml
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_de...

I followed your link and I got a 'whale song'? :shock: :lol:

But no accurate weight was given for the song. And what is the weight difference between said song and a lump of coal? :P
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous. Labeled as 'Big Vein', about the size of acorns. Makes a lot of ash, but heats well and lasts longer than my previous coal.

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:11 pm

SWPaDon wrote:
Carbon12 wrote:Here ya go! toothy

Firstly weigh your piece of coal to get the mass in kilograms.

Then when you put the coal in the water, just force it slowly under the surface until all the coal is submerged in the water, collect the water which overflows from your containing, this gives you your volume.

Density can be calculated from-:

Density = Mass / Volume

or the other option is to look it up..........
Density of Coal may vary, depends on the type (structure) and form. Below are some density of coal :

- Coal, Anthracite, solid 1.506 gr/ml

- Coal, Anthracite, broken 1.105 gr/ml

- Coal, Bituminous, solid 1.346 gr/ml

- Coal, Bituminous, broken 0.833 gr/ml
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_de...

I followed your link and I got a 'whale song'? :shock: :lol:

But no accurate weight was given for the song. And what is the weight difference between said song and a lump of coal? :P


Sorry about that! Damn Internet. Link removed :D
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: delivery seemed light

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:13 pm

C 12, that's for calculating specific gravity right? Would be tough to get an accurate measure on the water.. :lol:
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