new guy has questions????

new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:07 pm

Just signed up after finding out that thes tove I made a trade for is a combo wood and coal stove(pics to follow) I'm not sure which kind of stove it is and hope you guys can help also need advice on the chimney

I am renting a house that has a fireplace and a friend told me I could just push the insert in the opening and burn no pipe needed, well I went to a wood burning forum and found out it unsafe to burn that way and that I also have a combo wood burner /coal burner. I will put up pics to see if any of you guys know what kind of stove it is

Heres the questions

1. If this is a coal burner, can I put an 8" pipe from the stove thru the flue and up to the second tile in the chimney and be safe? the fireplace has never been used its terracota pipe lined and I burnt some wood for about 3 weeks in the stove and I will pull it out and clean the chimney before installing the pipe

I was told that to burn wood I would need to reline the whole chimney with stainless and i don't want to do that

2. I read that coal burns clean with no creasote so shouldn't a flew pipe up to the 2nd tile work without chance of fire in the chimney?

3. can I use galvanized 8" pipe from the stove thru the flue to the 2nd second tile or does it have to be stainless, i'm pretty sure that I'm only going to use the stove for this winter since the house is for sale and I might only have this place until sept

I'm running an electric heat pump and the downstairs won't go above 65, I got a good deal on the stove and it puts out some nive heat with wood but I don't want a chimney fire any advice would help

Thanks in advance
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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:12 pm

heres the stove, it has a broken oiece of glass in the right door but only on the inside of a double piece of glass,no smoke comes thru when i burn wood
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PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:18 pm

heres the fireplace set up without stove in it
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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:22 pm

mikew wrote:heres the stove, it has a broken oiece of glass in the right door but only on the inside of a double piece of glass,no smoke comes thru when i burn wood


anybody recognize this stove?
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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:57 pm

Hello Mikew, welcome to the forum, We need to see the firebox of the stove with the doors open, to get a look-see at the grates..
A quick description of a coal burning stove: It must have grates, preferably shaker grates with an external handle to shake them. Below the grates is an ashpan. The ashpan drawer must have a door with an adjustable air vent in the door. Coal only burns with all the air getting to the coal fire from below, and the air pulled through the coal bed by the draft of the chimney.

As for your chimney, if it is terracotta lined, and the terracotta tiles are not cracked then whoever told you that you need a SS liner for your chimney is just trying to sell you a liner. a terracotta lined chimney is the best chinmey there is. If you are burning wood, the cool terracotta liner MAY pick up more creosote than a SS liner but it is in no way unsafe if the chimney is cleaned if it gets an accumulation of creosote.

It doesn't appear that there is enough room to install a piece of metal chimney flue into the top of the stove inside the chimney.. If there is enough room, you MUST seal the pipe in the chimney with a piece of steel to block off the rest of the damper /chimney opening. You cannot have any chance of the exhaust gases from the coal fire to leak into the house.. The gasses from coal contain a lot of Carbon Monoxide, and this is deadly.

I hope the above helps

Greg L

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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:26 pm

LsFarm wrote:Hello Mikew, welcome to the forum, We need to see the firebox of the stove with the doors open, to get a look-see at the grates..
A quick description of a coal burning stove: It must have grates, preferably shaker grates with an external handle to shake them. Below the grates is an ashpan. The ashpan drawer must have a door with an adjustable air vent in the door. Coal only burns with all the air getting to the coal fire from below, and the air pulled through the coal bed by the draft of the chimney.

As for your chimney, if it is terracotta lined, and the terracotta tiles are not cracked then whoever told you that you need a SS liner for your chimney is just trying to sell you a liner. a terracotta lined chimney is the best chinmey there is. If you are burning wood, the cool terracotta liner MAY pick up more creosote than a SS liner but it is in no way unsafe if the chimney is cleaned if it gets an accumulation of creosote.

It doesn't appear that there is enough room to install a piece of metal chimney flue into the top of the stove inside the chimney.. If there is enough room, you MUST seal the pipe in the chimney with a piece of steel to block off the rest of the damper /chimney opening. You cannot have any chance of the exhaust gases from the coal fire to leak into the house.. The gasses from coal contain a lot of Carbon Monoxide, and this is deadly.

I hope the above helps

Greg L

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hEY GREG THANKS ALOT, i WILL SEND SOME PICS OF THE STOVE, it has a fan blower in front of it but theres a vent that opens and closes under the fan and when I burn wood I can see the air from below being controlled at the grate, the grate has a H shaped metal thing that rides across the grate and can go from right to left I have been moving it with a hammer when I clean the stove, I have to remove the fan to see if there is another control, there isn't any clean out that I can see underneath but where else would the ashes be going thanks
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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:49 pm

It doesn't appear that there is enough room to install a piece of metal chimney flue into the top of the stove inside the chimney.. If there is enough room, you MUST seal the pipe in the chimney with a piece of steel to block off the rest of the damper /chimney opening. You cannot have any chance of the exhaust gases from the coal fire to leak into the house.. The gasses from coal contain a lot of Carbon Monoxide, and this is deadly.

I hope the above helps

Greg L

Hey greg

if there is not enough room for pipe between the stove and the chimney is it ok to use the stove as a slammer( as i have been told it is called) thats where you push the stove into the fireplace and the metal out side the fireplace keeps the gases from getting out, my friend had this type of install for years without problems, he had the chimney cleaned and inspected every year but he had no piping just let the fireplace damper all the way open and burned, most guys say its unsafe, i'm not sure I can get to the top of the stove once the pipe is installed thru the damper, i was going to buy one of those wood burning inserts with a blowerr made with pipes that had glass doors on it and the guy said I also didn't need to pipe it just make sure the metal around the thing was sealed, this is becoming a headache for temp heat
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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:07 pm

I would never burn coal in a stove set up as you describe as a 'slammer'. I too have heard of people burning wood in such an instalation, but I think it is pretty much gambling with you life.. IF the chimney draws real well, you may get away with it.
I'm all about safety, burning a questionable setup in the house that you are sleeping in, is not wise... you may end up 'sleeping' forever..

Carbon Monoxide poisoning is very dangerous... Even several CO detectors wouldn't make me feel much safer.

Sorry to be so negative, but I've burried a few friends from CO poisoning...

Greg L.

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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:16 pm

heres some pics might take a few times I think its a coal burner not sure if its a combo but it burned wood pretty good
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PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:17 pm

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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:18 pm

without the fan, I found a door and a cleanout tray under the grate
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PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:19 pm

side view
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PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:20 pm

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PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:22 pm

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Re: new guy has questions????

PostBy: mikew On: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:28 pm

so if this is a coal burner or a combo can I run single wall pipe from the stove thru a plate up to the second tile?

I can't remember where I read the second tile thing but I remember reading it was code to go at least to the second tile and if coal burns clean and my chimney has no cracks and I clean it and use single wall galvanized would I be safe for 3 or 4 months? and can I get coal in southern coastal nj

also if I don't want to mess with this anymore does this stove have good value as a combo
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