EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: jhenryw49 On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:41 pm

I have been reading the story about the Virginia coal ash spill, in the water. In the end of the article it mention that the government EPA would be making coal ash a hazardous waste in 2014. Has anyone else followed this story. I have had my Nightingale coal stove for 35 years would like to keep it, but dealing with disposal of the ash as hazardous waste is to much.

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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:43 pm

Welcome to the forum.

I haven't heard anything yet, but with this administration anything is possible.
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:51 pm

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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:54 pm

Hazardous waste disposal is prohibitively expensive. If this filters down to the residential user, it could be a killer for burning coal.
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:56 pm

lsayre wrote:Hazardous waste disposal is prohibitively expensive. If this filters down to the residential user, it could be a killer for burning coal.

Yes it could............I hope it doesn't come to that.
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: KingCoal On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:01 pm

lsayre wrote:Hazardous waste disposal is prohibitively expensive. If this filters down to the residential user, it could be a killer for burning coal.


while i agree that a haz. waste classification could be very bad indeed, the overall tone and expectation of each of these sources seems to be expectant of a continuation of NON Haz. status.

am i reading this correctly, or missing entirely ?
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:02 pm

I think you are reading it correctly. Especially the last link I found.
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:05 pm

I wonder how this would effect us, as in disposal vs storage. You could dig a hole and store it? If it came down could one find away around it?
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:11 pm

Yeah, I'd dig a hole and store it... :lol:
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:14 pm

grumpy wrote:I wonder how this would effect us, as in disposal vs storage. You could dig a hole and store it? If it came down could one find away around it?

That's a really good question.

If I were to make a guess....................I would say that IF the EPA were to classify coal ash as hazardous, it would end all coal usage immediately for homeowners, even though the articles I found only reference power plants and such.

Homeowners couldn't afford the disposal fee, but with power plants, they could.

It's just that "electricity prices would necessarily skyrocket"...............That's a quote from Obama.
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: KingCoal On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:25 pm

i thought the second paragraph of the Bloomberg article was pretty straight forward on the industries expectations. the hazmatmag article makes the point that a declaration to continue the present regulation ( non haz. ) would be more than enough to satisfy the call for a "final" rendering.

in this type of case, the historical records show that governing bodies most often take the path that protects GNP output while requiring the least amount of effort and not really making any new ruling. for the time being, Industry still has WAY more clout and influence than the Greenies.

besides there is still time for a statement to be made to the effect that "although there was/ is expensive remediation to be done to remove the coal ash sludge from the river and other places, the content and characteristics of the sludge itself was / is of no hazardous concern."

the "electricity prices would nec. skyrocket" quote is the tell all, they know full well they would never survive the sudden curtailment of coal production or use. this one destabilizing economic slap to the U.S. public would have dire consequences and not just in election booths.
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:31 pm

Dig a hole & store it? Where could one do that? Wouldn't that be illegal?? :clap: toothy fkn idiots ;)
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:33 pm

They refer to it as coal ash but I think that it is the by-product from the power stations or fly-ash. For a couple of decades the plants I hauled out of mixed theirs with lime & I think some type of cement to create pos-a-tec which was approved by Penn Dot for road beds & other fill areas. The fly-ash if untreated is unstable & prone to landslides, the waste chemicals they list are in the coal already, the burn may concentrate them more but they are already there. All those years that almost every city home heated with coal & that type ash when used for fill & compressed becomes stable as heck.
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: KingCoal On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:37 pm

freetown fred wrote:Dig a hole & store it? Where could one do that? Wouldn't that be illegal?? :clap: toothy fkn idiots ;)


ah duno, du thems got ash snifin' dawgs or enythin ?
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Re: EPA to make coal ash hazardious waste

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:45 pm

This may be years down the road, but t will eventually become interesting when the government says that anyone with coal ash on their property must promptly remediate it.
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