Getting into the coal business

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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:49 pm

Since this is hypothetical with no contract, Jonestown, Pa.17038 , Buck - 20+ tons ,give price for loose & bagged , currently burning wood,have only bought a few bags to throw in the owb so no idea on local pricing. Price would be delivered.
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: Breakerboy On: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:20 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:Since this is hypothetical with no contract, Jonestown, Pa.17038 , Buck - 20+ tons ,give price for loose & bagged , currently burning wood,have only bought a few bags to throw in the owb so no idea on local pricing. Price would be delivered.



:) Ok cool no problem I figured the mileage .. $ 4,160.00 (20) ton Loose buck ..That's a nice load easy all but straight shot from here .. Bagged I'm not 100%. Sure on pricing Id be more accurate on rice bagged .. I'm currently working with 2 local breakers on pre order pricing and I exicited to say I'm looking at another interested in doing potential business with me .. I hand picked the 3 breakers do to my own / family experience and others on this site with there product .. So I am confident I can get you the best product at a reasonable price.. As far as delivery to your home I use a dump with dual shoots hope I can accommodate .. Since you have no idea on other pricing to your area I suggest you ask around.
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: Breakerboy On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:20 am

CapeCoaler wrote:As i said before...
The only way to make this work...
Is to break so many laws it is not funny...
You are failing to account for a few things in your senario...
These fees will soon eat up your "extra profit"...
You would need to be a Gypsy...
Selling off the back of the semi...
Parked on someones lot or road paying no rent...
Posting on social media that 'gypsy coal breaker boy was in town come and get it at the corner of Main and Maple'...
Runnin' 3 tons over legal load to make the extra $420...
Making it a cash only affair to avoid credit card fees, bounced checks and "DaMan"...
Avoiding all State and Local fees,permits and the like...
Owning a well maintained Semi outright...



Tossing 1300 40# bags by hand off the back of that semi...
Having customers that will show up every time you arrive to clear your 26 ton load twice a week in only 8 hours...
Sometimes the real world gets in the way of a business plan...
Not tryin' to bust balls here...
Just sayin' it needs a bit more real world...



Hmmmmm 550.00 a ton bagged coal is this possible... If that's not a case of needs to be a bit more real world.. I don't know what is...
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:36 am

Nobody would pay that, anyway.
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: Breakerboy On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:41 am

whistlenut wrote:Nobody would pay that, anyway.



You and I would not but don't fool yourself into thinking nobody would.. Like I said many times already why would people in my area pay 7 8 dollars a bag when they can get it at the breaker but they do...Some breakers will let you fill the trunk of your car trash cans book bags they don't care... Trust me " Nobody would " is a bold statement

I bet no one ever thought people would pay 1.50 for a bottle of water 10 years ago but guess what , you got it .. People do.
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:36 am

Let me clean up Doug's statement---only a fool would pay that price. I could probably go back to kero & stay close to that price range. $550.00 per?????????????????????? :(
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:53 am

Lots of fools are paying $700/ton for coal,no wait ,they are paying that for the equivalent btu's from oil & propain .
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: Breakerboy On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:14 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:Lots of fools are paying $700/ton for coal,no wait ,they are paying that for the equivalent btu's from oil & propain .


O yeah
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: plumber On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:26 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:Lots of fools are paying $700/ton for coal,no wait ,they are paying that for the equivalent btu's from oil & propain .


Those people are paying for convenience, or the holier than thou green factor. Don't want to burn dirty coal.
Seriously though, how many of us you'll be burning if we had natural gas or $1 gallon oil?
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:33 am

Listen Mr. BreakerBoy, if you think you are going to set the world on it's A$$, you better sit down, pack a HUGE lunch, and wake up to the reality that ALL the folks in the coal business aren't about to let you SHI* in their oatmeal. I am impressed that you have this all 'fingered out', but while you are packing that large lunchbox, don't you even consider that this WAS in place back into the 1800's.
Hard working guys back then did know what you know, perhaps more. Ever play with model train sets? Remember the coal sidings, coal drops, coal loading, coal cars by the hundreds..........

I think you are fooling around with the wrong business proposal!: You need to be considered for "Genius of the Business Universe".
Watch out Warren Buffet.....you have competition on you butt.......lead, follow or get the hell out of the way............................................My $.02, and thank you for at least looking at my point of view.
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: Breakerboy On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:48 am

whistlenut wrote:Listen Mr. BreakerBoy, if you think you are going to set the world on it's A$$, you better sit down, pack a HUGE lunch, and wake up to the reality that ALL the folks in the coal business aren't about to let you SHI* in their oatmeal. I am impressed that you have this all 'fingered out', but while you are packing that large lunchbox, don't you even consider that this WAS in place back into the 1800's.
Hard working guys back then did know what you know, perhaps more. Ever play with model train sets? Remember the coal sidings, coal drops, coal loading, coal cars by the hundreds..........

I think you are fooling around with the wrong business proposal!: You need to be considered for "Genius of the Business Universe".
Watch out Warren Buffet.....you have competition on you butt.......lead, follow or get the hell out of the way............................................My $.02, and thank you for at least looking at my point of view.



Wow .. Im not sure what I said , for you to be on the defense like that.. But If I offended u in any way I apologize .. But on the other hand I don't think I deserve to be insulted like this either ..
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:01 am

I am not offended, nor am I chastising you, however, your bold approach could use some streamlining. PLEASE understand that multi-milluion dollar companies WILL NOT sit still while you try to set up distribution sites all over the place and watch you chew away from their long-time, well established dealer network. Ever hear the expression: If you can't play with the BIG DAWGS, perhaps you should stay safely on the porch.

I've been burning for 47 years, over 2500 tons myself, and like Rob R. and many others, I would like to see you beat the prices we pay, with the same quality coal. If you have millions to invest, I applaud you. If you think you can make millions, I feel sorry for you. But by all means, give it a go....just don't think you are the first pioneer that has traveled this path to the 'new world.

22/25 ton loads to 03301, acres to turn around, easy dump, pressure washer on site, fuel depot across the highway........price it. 10 loads.......... Rice, Buck, Pea, Nut. Ballpark pricing is fine. I'll PM you with a list of suppliers I like.
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: Breakerboy On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:20 am

whistlenut wrote:I am not offended, nor am I chastising you, however, your bold approach could use some streamlining. PLEASE understand that multi-milluion dollar companies WILL NOT sit still while you try to set up distribution sites all over the place and watch you chew away from their long-time, well established dealer network. Ever hear the expression: If you can't play with the BIG DAWGS, perhaps you should stay safely on the porch.

I've been burning for 47 years, over 2500 tons myself, and like Rob Roy and many others, I would like to see you beat the prices we pay, with the same quality coal. If you have millions to invest, I applaud you. If you think you can make millions, I feel sorry for you. But by all means, give it a go....just don't think you are the first pioneer that has traveled this path to the 'new world.

22/25 ton loads to 03301, acres to turn around, easy dump, pressure washer on site, fuel depot across the highway........price it. 10 loads.......... Rice, Buck, Pea, Nut. Ballpark pricing is fine. I'll PM you with a list of suppliers I like.



I'm glad we got that straitened out.. Now I not once said I would set the world on fire nor did I claim to make millions .. Matter a fact I said turn a profit .. I'm a modest young man that lives a modest life on a modest income .. So if a make a modest profit I'm happy if I make a million .. I will be sure to look u up to eat those words.. ( I'm joking )
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:29 am

Alright BB, I also had an idea to profit from this resurgence in coal usage too. I figured that the easier you make it for a Newbie the better your chance of getting them to switch from oil, propane, or even wood.

Here is is. Anyone feel free to put legs to my idea because it would take considerable start up money that I don't have.

Modular Coal Delivery Systems inc.
Coal Cubes

Everyone that uses coal for home heating has some sort of coal bin. (Sept for those using bags). Access for deliveries to these bins can be problematic. Why not deliver a pre determined amount of coal in a purpose built weather proof coal handling container? In other words, I'm picturing an injection molded plastic cube contained within a steel "cage" about four feet square with a gate valve/door on the bottom to dispense coal into your hod. And NO not using those bulk liquid containers that everyone is selling on craigslist! They need to be purpose built and not an eyesore. They (the cube) could be delivered by truck to clients homes. Eight or ten CUBES could fit on a delivery truck at at time for drop offs. Your new coal company could monitor clients coal usage and schedule deliveries (just like the oil companies do) to keep clients well stocked.

Keeps things simple.
1) Only need one coal yard for processing. One scale, one loader, one set of staff, etc.
2) the CUBE doesn't need to be empty for a pick up. Just weight the remaining coal when the cube gets back to the yard and credit the customer.
3) No reason to leave the CUBE out all summer long. End of season pick ups. Spring time, collect all of the cubes, clean, repair any damage and reload them for the following season. This also keeps the customer from needing to store it.
4) Could change sizes depending on the expected weather.



"Think" gas grill propane tanks. How they swap them out at the supermarket.

Like I said the easier you make the whole ordeal the more folks will be inclined to give it a try.

The whole idea only works if the CUBE functions FLAWLESS.

I
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Re: Getting into the coal business

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:32 am

Son, I am only trying to politely tell you to take off the blinders, this is a serious business. I would prefer that you are very successful, and along with that, humility might rub off once in a while.

I've been around long enough to know the deal, but that and a couple bucks will buy you a cup most anywhere. Best wishes, and price it up for me, also.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
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Coal Size/Type: Rice,Buck,Pea,Nut&Stove
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