New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:38 am

franco b wrote:Future energy supplies all have question marks. Set up the coal boiler and have a good clean burning wood stove for emergency.


Exactly.. propane prices spiking, fuel oil prices spiking, wood pellets are gone.. Who knows what will happen to electric.. What fuel seems to be steady and available? Coal...
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:50 am

If I were building a new home today, I would install a geothermal heat pump. And I'd have a nice coal stove in my family room.
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:31 am

I would build as energy efficient house as possible. Smaller and better rather than larger and less efficient. Incorporate as much passive and active solar as possible. Set it up to have coal central heating along with some other back up fuel.
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace


Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Lynx220 On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:37 pm

Thanks for all of the replies so far. I plan on pricing geothermal heating, and I've already talked to several people who have geothermal systems and like them, but I just don't know if I want to drop that much up front on a house. I am definitely going to build as energy efficient of a house as I can with top of the line windows and doors. I've also finally convinced my wife that she does not need a 16 x 16 kitchen, and after 12 revisions, I've gotten the square footage down to 2008 SF. I am still seriously looking into anthracite due to it's BTU's and cost effectiveness. I've found out that planning and building a house is not going to be as exciting as I thought, and seems like it's going to provide more headaches than anything...
Lynx220
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Newmac
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut Blaschak

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:04 pm

Lynx220 wrote:I've found out that planning and building a house is not going to be as exciting as I thought, and seems like it's going to provide more headaches than anything...

They say that building a house is the quick path to divorce. Lots of stress. Take care of yourselves through the process. Forewarned is forearmed.
rberq
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine 1300
Coal Size/Type: Nut -- Kimmel/Blaschak/Reading
Other Heating: Oil hot water radiators, propane

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:01 pm

If I were building a new home with NG not available, I'd go with Oil boiler, Coal boiler, and have a hand-fired stove in living quarters. I believe electricity prices in the northeast are going to increase dramatically over the next decade or two. I would not go geothermal in the northeast.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Rich W. On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:10 pm

Thank you Grimmy, for the inside view. I am a new coal burner, and have convinced a couple of other wood burners to look into coal. Let us know if we can do anything to promote your industry. We buy coal, but if there are specific bureaucrats that we should be communicating with, or other actions we should take, please let us know! And I can't tell you how many times I have told others that I prefer to support the hard working miners like you over the oil barons, no matter where they live!
Rich W.
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Castings Vigilant Multi-Fuel
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: System 2000 Oil Burner

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Davian On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:44 pm

Berlin wrote:If I were building a new home with NG not available, I'd go with Oil boiler, Coal boiler, and have a hand-fired stove in living quarters. I believe electricity prices in the northeast are going to increase dramatically over the next decade or two. I would not go geothermal in the northeast.


From what I understand, you have to dig really deep for geothermal in the NE.
Davian
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Morso
Stove/Furnace Model: 1410 Squirrel

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: oliver power On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:08 pm

Davian wrote:
Berlin wrote:If I were building a new home with NG not available, I'd go with Oil boiler, Coal boiler, and have a hand-fired stove in living quarters. I believe electricity prices in the northeast are going to increase dramatically over the next decade or two. I would not go geothermal in the northeast.


From what I understand, you have to dig really deep for geothermal in the NE.
I forget how deep. 5 or 6 feet rings a bell. I do know the people I talk to that went Geothermal are heating there houses CHEAP! VERY CHEAP! One particular house I've worked on is 4500 square feet (New House). The owner said it cost him $100.00 per month. That's cheap. Goethermal acts the same in reverse for Air Conditioning. From what I've read/heard, water to water (Pond) works very well.
oliver power
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: KEYSTOKER Kaa-2
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93 & 30-95, Vigilant (pre-Vigilant-II)
Baseburners & Antiques: MANY (Mostly when burning wood)
Stove/Furnace Make: HITZER / KEYSTOKER
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93 & 30-95 , Kaa-2

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Yanche On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:08 pm

Build your home with hydronic heating, ideally with in floor radiation zoned in each room. Then it's simple to change the boiler out to another fuel type. Your radiation system stays the same. Coal will likely always be the cheapest because it has to be. No one would put up with coal feeding and ash removal if it wasn't. In PA I don't see a anthracite availability problem. Since it doesn't go bad store as much as you can afford. Geothermal systems are expensive, with some of the expense offset with a current 30% tax credit. But, the life of the geothermal components (i.e. compressor) are much less the the lifetime of a coal boiler. If your house will have central A/C a geothermal system can often be the best choice, especially when you consider the same system can provide your domestic hot water. Study all options and good luck with your new home. If you choose coal, think and plan ahead to minimize the coal and ash handling. You need a bin your delivery truck can get to and ideally an auger system to feed the coal. Similarly for ash removal and disposal. Lots of ideas in members posts.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: nortcan On: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:45 am

Hi Lynx220 and welcome to the forum.
About your future home, get as much infos about insulation, vapor lock and air seal products...as you can. When the house is done=too late to make changes.
If the codes say R 30 for some insulation places go for more, as much as you can afford... the supplement $ will be recovered fast and the house will be more confortable,,, a house is NEVER over insulated
Many will say that it's crazy but as the time goes by, they will say :how can you heat your house with a so little energy bill and be confortable?
And anthracite is a very good combustible.
nortcan
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Stuart,Peterson/ Grander
Stove/Furnace Model: Sunnyside/ Golden Bride

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Tull On: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:29 pm

As others have said, I would set up so that you can use multiple sources of heat. Preferably, the heat sources would not be "related" to each other in price. In my case I use coal with oil as backup.
Tull
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS-S130
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Anthracite
Other Heating: Oil for standby

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:12 pm

I would purchase a used oil boiler, late model, triple pass or tube (very reasonable as folks change out to NG) and a Super Stor or equivalent indirect water heater(also many used at 40% of new costs). You cannot OD on insulation, and if budgeting permits start looking at spray foam. Hydronic heating and as much radiant as is practical. The 'latest and greatest' will probably not save you a dime over time. IF solar siting is favorable, I'd support that LONG before the Geo-Thermal. Obviously I prefer coal, however oil is the best hedge right now as a 'Lender Friendly' primary fuel.

Chimney: No matter what, some form of a 2 flue chimney, preferable within the structure and not on a outside wall. SS costs about the same and has no where near the longevity. Be flexible if you want to remain married/shackled.......whatever they call it now, or she will own it and you will be standing outdoors with Mr. Happy in one hand with a bewildered look on your face, with a stack of payment obligations..

Look around for a coal boiler, there are many to choose from; used or new. I might add if you are worried about the coal supply, I have been burning for 48 years without any issues, so the money you save every year, sure makes your choice a no-brainer IMO. Try to make an area dedicated to the boiler room and not so small that a troll is the only one who fits into it. If you were lucky, you might be able to design a waterproof coal bin outside with access through your new foundation. That should make a few more revisions to the plans....... I'll PM with some other boiler info.

Go visit your local coal breakers, learn about what really goes on in their world, and visit so local folks who burn.
Keep a close eye on any dudes in shiny new pick-ups, all lettered up, and a crisp new shirt and matching coat with emblems on it proclaiming their participation in some unheard of Society : 'The GREEN Emancipation Enviro Corp' or whatever........ who offers you a glass of some funny tasting drink.......
...forgot to ask: Are you handy and doing much of the work, or is it a subcontracted effort?

....also forgot, if you wanted to do an ISO insulated concrete foundation, there is another way to save more money over time. If you can ever go into a basement with ISO forms, you will be amazed at how sound deadened it is. Never feels cold and saves every day you live there. That would allow the wifey to have her dream kitchen, and you could be warm and comfy in the basement.......just thinkin' down the road.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AA130's,260's, AHS130&260's,EFM900,GJ&VanWert
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
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Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: oilman On: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:23 pm

I agree..........super insulated.......hydronics.......oil back up. A well put together,multiple flue masonry chimney in the CENTER...I repeat.........CENTER of the house........no exterior chimneys please......... :)
My choice of hydronics nowadays would be radiant basement floor, panel rads upstairs.
Hand fired coal or woodstove upstairs for those worst-case scenarios.
oilman
 

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:25 pm

Yes! Make sure you build a full masonry chimney in the center of the house with at least 3 flus. One for a fireplace on the main floor and two accessible in the basement. Then you will be able to install whatever you want whenever you want.
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace