New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Lynx220 On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:23 pm

Hi All,

I'm in the process of designing a new home for my family. We are hopefully going to break ground next Spring. The home building site does not have access to natural gas, so I am limited in my heating options. We are building near several of my in-laws, and they all have anthracite boilers. I am looking into using an anthracite boiler for the home's heat source since oil is ridiculous, and I really don't want forced hot air so a heat pump is not really desirable. That being said, where do you guys see the future of anthracite as far as availability goes in the next decade or two? I know there is a pile of anthracite that is mineable, but is there that much of a demand for it in the distant future? My big fear is that I go with the anthracite boiler and in 5 to 10 years it's hard to find the stuff. We live in west-central Pennsylvania, and there are several coal yards within 10 miles of the proposed home building site so there is a good current supply source.

FYI - Looking at either an EFM 520 or Axeman-Anderson 130, but that is a different topic.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. I am guessing there are some knowledgeable guys on here from the PA anthracite region that might have some good input on the subject of anthracite's future.

Thanks-
Lynx220
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Newmac
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut Blaschak

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:27 pm

7 or 8 years ago I would've said ... whaddya worried about? ....

Today ... it's a crapshoot. I believe there's more of a chance of moronic legislation causing shortages and price spikes than actually running out of mineable coal in our lifetimes.

I couldn't make a guess one way or the other ... but I'm burning coal for as long as I can.
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: tikigeorge On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:41 pm

Don't forget to look at Keystoker. I have a KA-6 boiler and so far bullet proof after 5 years. Simple controls. No circuit boards or computers to fail. I use a grain auger to fill my hopper and I just remove ashes. :D
tikigeorge
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6


Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:00 pm

From someone who lives in the heart of ant coal country......buy the coal boiler, furnace, or stove and don't look back.

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa. 17921
blrman07
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant Casting 2310
Baseburners & Antiques: rebuilding a 1906 March Brownback Double Heater, reblacking a UMCO 1920's Pot Belly
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Wood in the VC and anything that will fit in the Bucket a Day. It's not fussy.

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: ShawninNY On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:05 pm

I think you guys in pa will be alright, we only have 2 suppliers on Long Island I think it's all brought in by truck , I guess the demand is not here to justify rail , 60 ton loads , it's a shame we have allot of wood burners here I would say 80% of them buy firewood as opposed to other areas where people can gather fire wood! Good luck on your build
ShawninNY
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Waterford/penn royal in garage
Stove/Furnace Model: 1994 Erin

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: oliver power On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:16 pm

I'm with Smitty. Who knows what these crooks are going to come up with. There surly won't be any shortage of coal, unless it's a man made shortage. The whole government runs on scare tactics...........And they do a good job of it. I wouldn't worry about it. One thing I would do is; set the plumbing up so that you could easily swap / add other heat sources. Seeing it's going to be a new home, I'd be looking into 1.)geothermal, 2.)solar, and 3.)wind. I'd set all my utilities up to run off grid if necessary.
oliver power
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: KEYSTOKER Kaa-2
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93 & 30-95, Vigilant (pre-Vigilant-II)
Baseburners & Antiques: MANY (Mostly when burning wood)
Stove/Furnace Make: HITZER / KEYSTOKER
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93 & 30-95 , Kaa-2

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:19 pm

oliver power wrote:I'm with Smitty. Who knows what these crooks are going to come up with. There surly won't be any shortage of coal, unless it's a man made shortage. The whole government runs on scare tactics...........And they do a good job of it. I wouldn't worry about it. One thing I would do is; set the plumbing up so that you could easily swap / add other heat sources. Seeing it's going to be a new home, I'd be looking into 1.)geothermal, 2.)solar, and 3.)wind. I'd set all my utilities up to run off grid if necessary.


If hot demand from the Asian steel mills ever returns the price of anthracite will begin to trend upward again as the availability trends downward.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:22 pm

Future energy supplies all have question marks. Set up the coal boiler and have a good clean burning wood stove for emergency.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: Nevercold On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:52 pm

Buy a few tt loads and stock pile, or rail car :D
Nevercold
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: DVC-500

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: grimmy On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:58 pm

I am an anthracite miner. Lets just say its better now than it was from 03 to 08. Yes, there isn't as many of us as there was in the 90's. But, we are still producing. In 95, there was over 100 deep mines in north east pa, in 06, we had 12 left. Due to an unfair abuse of power we were forced out. We have struggled, and fought. We are on the comeback. We were allowed to reopen, and are pulling coal again. The deep mines are multiplying. It's just going to take sometime. Although I don't think it will be what it once was, we are not going anywhere. I've been in the coal industry since 1995, and will retire in this industry. We work in the cold and dark, so you don't have to live in the cold and dark.
grimmy
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Dovre
Coal Size/Type: nut

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:44 pm

grimmy wrote:I am an anthracite miner. We work in the cold and dark, so you don't have to live in the cold and dark.


Thank God for you folks, your efforts are greatly appreciated by us here :D :D
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:48 pm

HEAR HEAR! 8-)
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: DennisH On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:25 am

2001Sierra wrote:
grimmy wrote:I am an anthracite miner. We work in the cold and dark, so you don't have to live in the cold and dark.


Thank God for you folks, your efforts are greatly appreciated by us here :D :D


Coal is cool! :D Build your house and factor coal into the equation!
DennisH
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Yukon-Eagle Klondike IV
Other Heating: Propane

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:44 am

[quote="grimmy"]I am an anthracite miner. Lets just say its better now than it was from 03 to 08. Yes, there isn't as many of us as there was in the 90's. But, we are still producing. In 95, there was over 100 deep mines in north east pa, in 06, we had 12 left. Due to an unfair abuse of power we were forced out. We have struggled, and fought. We are on the comeback. We were allowed to reopen, and are pulling coal again. The deep mines are multiplying. It's just going to take sometime. Although I don't think it will be what it once was, we are not going anywhere. I've been in the coal industry since 1995, and will retire in this industry. We work in the cold and dark, so you don't have to live in the cold and dark.[/quote]

Thanks grimmy, it's a pleasure to thank the AMERICAN! that helps heats my family and home :clap: :punk:
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: New Home Build...Future of Anthracite?

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:10 am

oops double post.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace