More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:52 pm

Carbon12 wrote:He said 1400 gallons in the last 12 months. That's half of last winter and all of this winter so far. 1400 gallons doesn't really seem that unreasonable when that is considered. 3100 square foot house, also.

Yes. a degree day per gallon figure would be more helpful.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:39 am

B&N,

I gonna guess that the ductwork/airhandler in the attic are poorly insulated ,maybe even leaking. see if you can get a picture from standing in the attic. I might be able to give you some tips on how to better insulate.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:10 am

berriesandnuts wrote:
My understanding is that a power-vent is NOT advisable for a coal boiler. I'm not liking the idea of attempting to use the existing chimney since I've also read that coal will deteriorate the chimney. I'm not seeing where I can place another boiler inside though where another chimney could be erected (I understand masonry is the way to go).


The larger coal boilers like the EFM can go for hours without power hence the reason you cannot power vent them. I believe you can power vent the LL110 and some of the Keystokers but you'll have to check with them. Those use a bed design just like the hot air stokers and will go out fairly quickly without power.

As long as it's lined with clay you are good to go, if you need to power vent anything it shouldn't be the coal.

The first thing I would consider is where my coal bin can go. You need easy access from the outside and it should be close to the chimney so the boiler is close. Then figure out where you are going to place the boiler.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:16 am

Flyer5 wrote:1400 gallons is equal to almost 8 ton of coal. 1400 x $3.85 = $5390 8 ton x $260 = $2080 Difference of $3310.

BTW Thats a lot of oil.


I would suggest based on my experience that is average for 3000 sq ft. for an older home like that.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: berriesandnuts On: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:14 pm

Yes, the 1400 or so gallons used is from Mar 2013 to current.
And actually, the house is only about 14 years old. However, there is a problem with the attic unit whereby it sometimes blows "coolish" air, and also stays on for long periods of time. I had a guy come in twice last year. Said it might need to be purged. But then afterwards said, oh, I didn't realize the you have antifreeze (I didn't know that either).

Anyway, he had to come back again. But I still have that problem off and on.

I did put in an application through NY energy conversation for one of those "energy surveys/analysis". I'm waiting on setting up an appointment.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: berriesandnuts On: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:30 pm

Waldo, I didn't think of taking pics of the attic, but I'll do that.

Also, I have no idea what a degree per gallon refers to.

Re: placement of a coal bin.... The front may have been possible if the front porch weren't there, but then again, I don't believe my wife will like that at all.
I wish I had thought of this a few years ago BEFORE I decided to use my tax refund to pave the driveway. But then again, that side has the garage and slab floor anyway. I spoke to a co-worker and she said her husband had a boiler put in their garage. But they live out in PA and I'm guessing things are less stringent there and he didn't bother checking with the town. Plus, I'd lose the garage parking space (wife would NOT like that).

I could put a bin on the side of the house where the current chimney is located. And I would be willing to block one of the basement bay windows if necessary.

There's also a window on that side but I'm wondering if one of those small chimneys could be squeezed on that side?
Besides, my wife wants me to clean out the basement of old furniture and stuff and either dismantle or move my sons weight sets anyway.

I'll snap a couple more pictures of that side.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: berriesandnuts On: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:37 pm

oilman wrote:As an add-on, you should be able to put the boiler anywhere in the basement- just run the copper over to the system center at the oil unit. Is there a good end wall where a chimney could be put up?

Yes, you could put the unit in a building, but with your hydro-air system having the boiler in the basement radiating heat would be invaluable to your comfort.


Oilman, I wasn't considering the back of the house before because there is a sizable deck there. But I'm now wondering if that side is an option? Do people cut through the deck to put up chimneys?
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: berriesandnuts On: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:50 pm

Question about outside locations....?

I read that Leisure Line is developing an outdoor unit? But whether and outdoor unit, or an indoor unit in an outside shed, doesn't that mean they will have steel chimneys? In my town, outdoor chimney's are supposed to be above the nearby roof line. That still seems expensive to have such a tall steel chimney that might still rot out.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:16 pm

Full masonry chimneys are the best. They will outlast you and have much fewer problems. Whenever possible, it is almost ALWAYS better to have the coal burning appliance IN the structure to be heated.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:44 am

Hmmm... where present chimney is, its a chase Box structure built around exhaust flues. In other words a BIG hollow box to hide ugly SS pipe. Nothing more than that. There should be no actual plumbing inside of it, because usually its uninsulated in there, dead air space, Plumbing of exsisting system looks like its all insiide of main house perimeter foundation not undr chase box for present flues. so leave manifolds alone of present system, slide out what your gonna keeep, extend new hook up lines to new coal boiler and such. See no problem with tapping propane exhust on first floor into one of the 2 flues in a masonary chimney, preferably on back up heat source flue, or power vent,which would only be used if needed. as far as outside wall fiishing, masonary chimney can be built to fill chase box footprint on exterior wall.
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: berriesandnuts On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:22 am

A bit annoying.....

I stopped by a mason supply place to see if they knew someone they could recommend. They gave me a number, I finally got a hold of the guy. I tried to explain that I wanted to speak with someone on cost & options for putting up a chimney. Like maybe block chimney or something.

For some reason, he became a bit disinterested. Said, "let me send you the info of some people that would be able to help you out with what you want".

So I visited the place he told me about. It's a place that sells stoves and other stuff and has someone that does chimney sweeps. I saw an ad for Keystoker there. At first I was excited because they are close to where I live. I asked the lady there about putting up a block or mason chimney, but she said they only do metal chimneys. Saying that's the best option and so on and so forth, etc. She said what I could do is to pick up the boiler there, hire someone else to do the chimney and plumbing. At this point I'm thinking, well that puts me back at square 1. Why did that mason guy give me the run-a-around?

I took their business card, said thanks and left.
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Other Heating: Burnham PV84-WT oil boiler

Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:37 am

Find a mason in the phonebook. Someone will want the work.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:23 pm

berriesandnuts wrote:A bit annoying.....

I stopped by a mason supply place to see if they knew someone they could recommend. They gave me a number, I finally got a hold of the guy. I tried to explain that I wanted to speak with someone on cost & options for putting up a chimney. Like maybe block chimney or something.

For some reason, he became a bit disinterested. Said, "let me send you the info of some people that would be able to help you out with what you want".

So I visited the place he told me about. It's a place that sells stoves and other stuff and has someone that does chimney sweeps. I saw an ad for Keystoker there. At first I was excited because they are close to where I live. I asked the lady there about putting up a block or mason chimney, but she said they only do metal chimneys. Saying that's the best option and so on and so forth, etc. She said what I could do is to pick up the boiler there, hire someone else to do the chimney and plumbing. At this point I'm thinking, well that puts me back at square 1. Why did that mason guy give me the run-a-around?

I took their business card, said thanks and left.


If your area is anything like mine, contractors are STARVING for work. Get several quotes and follow up with references. You are in the drivers seat right now as far as having a joob that so many will want, be patient. NWB
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: hotforcoal On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:15 pm

Did you consider just putting in a stove in the living area with a direct vent .It wil be 1/2 or less the total cost of a boiler and save you big time on your heating cost .I thought I read your wife said there is no money in the budget .every thing you said so far sounds like what went though 3 years ago .I have a Key stoker 105 direct vent that heats my 3000 sqft .house with no problem at all even in the coldest days this winter has proven that never turn on the oil for heat just hot water and it paid for it self the fist year I put it in .Now if I wanted to I can save my money for what ever coal burner i would like.i have my eyes open for a old BB .sure i will have to put up a chimney but im sure glad I didn't dump big money on a boiler from the get go ..TJMO..get your feet wet first before you dive in head first ...good luck
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Re: More newbie ?? re: what to get, where to put it?

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:32 am

wow... Im looking at a large btu boiler and h/w tank that could service the town :fear: Clearly
Judging by the fact you have 47 A/C compressors surrounding that mansion I'm going to advise you should indeed tap into your existing h/w heating system for central heat (you need more than a living room stove). your not going to want to deal with a stove anyways... your clearly to busy to worry about such things and frankly a person like you in all likelihood will have better savings by utilizing your time doing whatever it is you do and simply installing a pro coal boiler as an add-on! as Dave explained this would likely pay for itself in a flash! (2 seasons i would guess). You will also be much warmer through the winters and would not yell at the kids so loud when they leave the door open toothy

Your plumbing is fantastic, you have like 3 or 4 zones already, your house is newer (so I'm sure its fairly well insulated already)... You obviously have ability to have a professional install done if you wanted to bite the bullet and go for it (the sooner you do... the earlier to pay off comes! you will make gains very fast that even the stock market could not do you for you!)

EFM, AHS, LL AA220, KeyStoker seem to all receive the most consistent/reliable feedback and reviews over many years from what I see... I would start researching those and maybe some boiler pro's will give some insight on how best and least expensive to add on in your case.
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