New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: tjfslaughter On: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:25 pm

Rich W. wrote:My manual suggests operating temps at 400-600*. Here along the coast I've been running 275-350* (it's been mild). I'm interested to know if there are any problems running well above or well below the recommended range. Any thoughts?


I just checked my manual. When I load the stove, I was using the magnetic temp gauge. Last night I used the Electronic one to see what the difference is. When I load the stove at Night I run it up to 700 and it usually backs off pretty quick to 650 once I close the ash pan.
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: Rich W. On: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:36 pm

Thanks for that. My multi fuel will idle along at 275 for two days if I let it! Always enough coals to revive the fire at 30 hrs, and still maintaining 275. Too easy (compared to wood)!
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:56 pm

tjfslaughter wrote:I just checked my manual. When I load the stove, I was using the magnetic temp gauge. Last night I used the Electronic one to see what the difference is. When I load the stove at Night I run it up to 700 and it usually backs off pretty quick to 650 once I close the ash pan.


Is that 700 before you switch to by-pass mode with the internal damper? I wouldn't dare run mine up to 500 or it'll run up over 700 easily. Stove pipe temps shoot way up and start to give off those hot metal aromas that sets the wife off on a panic :roll: As soon as I see blue flames over ~30% of the new coal bed and the griddle temp reaches ~ 400, I switch to indirect mode. Even at that, my stove pipe skin temperature 6' above the stove where it joins the chimney reads ~ 230F. It will settle in nicely without touching anything. I haven't touched my thermostat since the end of November.

Stove is idling along at 660F on the griddle and 155F on the stove pipe 12 hrs after the last shake'n add (UAE nut). Won't touch it for another three hrs. Big house - dinette reading 67 2/3 of the way across the house from the stove. This stove still amazes me after 15 years :)
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: tjfslaughter On: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:16 pm

Once the new coal is lit i close the damper, this usually happens around 400-500. I then leave the ash pan open to get it to 700. Once at 700 I close the ash pan and the thermostat usually brings it down to 650. Still learning but thanks to the forum my stove runs safely all day. Wife is VERY happy.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Castings Vigilant
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:43 pm

IMHO, close the ash pan door when you see flames. Once the flames are established fairly evenly over the new bed, close the damper. You will save coal. My stove is @ 400+ at this point.

Running to 700 with the ash pan door open and the stove in indirect mode, two things are occurring: First, fly ash is being drawn out of the bed by the excess draft velocity and into the heat exchange compartments prematurely clogging up the works. Second, BTUs are being drawn out of your stove, up and out of the chimney effectively heating your neighbors back yard :) instead of the inside of your house.

Edit:Adding excess draft while in bypass mode until reaching 700F on the griddle will likely get the burning coal temperature @+/- the ash fusion temperature increasing the probability of clinker formation.

What is you stove pipe temperature when you're closing the ash door when the griddle is @700?
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: tjfslaughter On: Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:18 am

I will take a look next time. Right now the griddle is at 600 and the pipe two feet up is 220.
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: tjfslaughter On: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:13 pm

Got the top piece of stone in. Quite heavy. Still a little more work to do....
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:15 pm

Very nice :D

All that mass will radiate stored heat for quite some time. I like the dial thermometer ;)
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: tjfslaughter On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:27 pm

Looks like this weeks weather will be a good test of the stove. Yesterday it was a little too warm in the house (74 upstairs). Spent Friday insulating a crawl space that was not insulated (just found out Friday).
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: Rich W. On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:55 pm

As we say on those warm days..."good opportunity for changing the air," and open go the windows!
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: tjfslaughter On: Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:51 am

Looks like the low last night was about 18. When we went to upstairs it was 10 pm and 71 degrees, it dropped to 65 by 6:30am. Stove was at 650 at 10:00pm and 500 at 6:30am. Quite a bit of coal used. I am happy. I think if the temps drop below 10 at night and stay cold during the day I will need to cycle the Furnaces a little, the one in the upstairs is a high efficient gas forced hot air so I don't feel to bad about running it. The basement/first floor one is a very in-efficient unit from 1962.

My main issue is I am chasing down bad drafts and addressing them when I find them, I found 5 last night alone, the wooden panels below the first floor windows have no insulation behind them. I will fill those tonight when I get home. I also think I have a bad draft coming in via the bilco door.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Castings Vigilant
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: tjfslaughter On: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:34 pm

Finally getting the basement to retain some heat.

I am finding that I am loading the stove twice a day (not full loads). At night I put about 2/3's of a 5 gallon bucket to top it off after a GOOD cleaning/shakedown. In the morning (on work days) I top it off with about 1/2 a bucket and do a quick shakedown. I was trying to stretch it out to 18 hours but it was dying to much and it took much longer to get the load lit. Does this sound correct?
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:13 pm

tjfslaughter wrote:Finally getting the basement to retain some heat.

I am finding that I am loading the stove twice a day (not full loads). At night I put about 2/3's of a 5 gallon bucket to top it off after a GOOD cleaning/shakedown. In the morning (on work days) I top it off with about 1/2 a bucket and do a quick shakedown. I was trying to stretch it out to 18 hours but it was dying to much and it took much longer to get the load lit. Does this sound correct?

Yes it does, I find sticking to the 12 - 14 hr. tending makes the ritual short and sweet. Then every 2 or 3 days I'll spend a little time knifing, I use to do it every day but I found it wasn't necessary and coal quality could change that.
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:12 pm

tjfslaughter wrote:Finally getting the basement to retain some heat.

I am finding that I am loading the stove twice a day (not full loads). At night I put about 2/3's of a 5 gallon bucket to top it off after a GOOD cleaning/shakedown. In the morning (on work days) I top it off with about 1/2 a bucket and do a quick shakedown. I was trying to stretch it out to 18 hours but it was dying to much and it took much longer to get the load lit. Does this sound correct?


Yes it does sound correct. My schedule feed amounts match yours. I can push more coal through the firebox but the temperatures would be pushing the limits. It wouldn't harm the Vig II, but not necessary as long as the power is on ;)
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Re: New Guy with New VC Vigilant stove

PostBy: Rich W. On: Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:34 pm

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Now that it's colder, I too am tending and reloading twice per day (7 & 7). I'm using about 20# per load, and that fills the firebox almost to the top of the firebrick. My stove, like others, likes to be FULL. But key, I believe, is keeping the airflow going all the way through the coal bed. Our grates don't shake that well, so more important in my opinion, is what you do with a slicer, or in my case, a poker. I use a 1/4" rod and poke through the grates from in front and above, and lever up through the pile, loosening ash, aerating the pile, and helping the ash fall through to the pan. I'm also careful to check the ash pan for level ashes, and nothing higher than the sides of the pan. This helps the airflow, and also keeps the grates from overheating and warping,

When I reload, I open the primary air inlet (thermostat lever) and leave the damper in direct mode until I get blue flames. I then close the damper (indirect mode), leaving the primary air inlet wide open. My stove is a little different; I don't have an ash pan door to leave open. My ash pan is behind the front doors, so I can't boost the air with the ash pan door the way you can.

Now, with damper closed (indirect mode), and good air flow, when the blue flames return I slowly and incrementally reduce the primary air (thermostat lever) until it's back to its typical position. If I run the stove at 400*, I can easily get 18 hrs, but I don't because it recovers better when tended at 12 hrs. If I run it at 300*, I can get 30 hrs, but I tend after 24 hrs, and I like that once a day pattern (40s outside daytime temp for this pattern). I attached a photo of the poker rod (hard to see on the rug, but it's there), which I think is the second most important accessory next to this forum! Incidentally, most of what I've learned I learned right here, so I hope that this is helpful to you too.
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