First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: tiogajoe On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:12 pm

Hi, New to the forum long time lurker! I thought I'd post my results with my first season with my Keystoker 90. We are moving to The Wellsboro area and have been working on our house as time and money permits. We put on at 1100 sq ft addition to our existing camp of appox. 800 sq. ft. The new addition is very well insulated with sprayed cellulose and the older side is batt insulation. The stove is centraly located and the floor plan is very open. There are ceiling fans on every level. We
only have used the keystoker when we are there on long weekends. When we are not there we use a toyostove kero furnace to keep the house around 60 degrees. Our keystoker is controled by a coaltrol which I found has a leaning curve all of it's own. Here are our settings Min fed 8 max fed 78 and the fan is in the auto mode. I've notice the stove runs at a Fire rate of about 70 in the mid 20's to 30 degrees and can keep the house around 72. When it's very cold out the stove will run very hard and struggle to keep the house in the upper 60's? We've had several battles with klinkers when the stove runs hard. Several times I've lost a fire out of the blue? Not out of coal,no jams etc. Most of our problems we have been able to work out over the phone with our dealer. They'vealready replaced the coaltrol and cable. At this point I'm disappointed with the heat output of the stove and think the stove could be under sized. It also seems to be very noisy? I have no experience with coal stoves until now. I have always used wood in the past so I have nothing to compare? Our dealer has been more than helpful and has offered to buy the stove back or replace it with something else from keystoker. My deler has suggested a 105 stoker with an additional vent to pipe heat in two directions? My wife is not happy about the noise the stove makes? I'm alittle trigger shy on another stoker and thinking about a hand fired model with a blower? I'm open to any suggestions at this piont? BTW I do not want to go back to wood?
tiogajoe
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Other Heating: toyostove

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:26 pm

Hi and welcome! Do you have a basement?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: tiogajoe On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:46 pm

No Basement, just a crawl space with no room for a stove.
tiogajoe
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Other Heating: toyostove

Visit Lehigh Anthracite

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:53 pm

Are you using a power venter or do you have a full masonry chimney?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:11 pm

Something here does not add up. I use Toyotomi OM22s and a Keystoker 90 (without the coaltrol as I prefer the dial up as there is no learning curve and that is great for the dumb). You tell us a OM22 (I assume that is the model but there are larger models such as the Laser 73 at 40,000btu which I also use) keeps your house at 60*. The OM22 output is only 22,000btu at best. My Keystoker 90 will run rings around it. In fact the Toyo it is not even in the same league as a heater. So as I said something does not compute.
coalnewbie
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93,
Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: tiogajoe On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:37 pm

I have a 14 ft 6' stainless chimney (Hart and Cooley) with a 48" slip joint right of the top of the stove. My Toyo is a laser 73. Yes, I totaly agree something is wrong? My toyo seems to heat better than the coal stove! Some add info. .... my feed rate screw is turned in full clock wise so I should be getting all the coal I need. I have my coaltrol mounted about 12' away from my stove in the opening leading into the next room. This room is the older side off the addition that is batt insulated. It also has a cathedral ceiling and fan. Infact every room in the house has its own ceiling fan?
tiogajoe
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Other Heating: toyostove

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: tiogajoe On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:45 pm

......I have mixed feelings about the coaltrol. My stove will all of a sudden just stop running for a few seconds and start right back up? Last night I came down stairs at 3am and my fire was total out? The toyo is set as a back up to come on at 67 degrees?
tiogajoe
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Other Heating: toyostove

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:22 pm

I know for your use, a hand fired would be ideal--BUT--ya don't think it would be to simplistic??? no coal-troll or yo-yo to mess with!! :clap: toothy Check out the HITZER site ;) A 50-93 sounds good with your open floor plan & sq. footage with insulation as is.
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: hotforcoal On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:41 pm

Yes some thing is wrong I have a key stoker 105 (no coaltrol) my Tstat is about 25 feet from my stove set at 73 mine stays 72-73 all the time even on the very cold days .My home is 3000sqft. Some thing is not set right .did you check your draft with manometer

If so maybe give coaltrol a call they are a very good stoves . So I don't believe its the stove its just not set right
hotforcoal
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Key stoker 105
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: oil hot water base board

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:44 pm

Do you have a barometric draft damper?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:05 pm

I have your same stove. Heating 2200 sq ft total with the basement at 73 to 75 controlled by Coal-trol. Upstairs 68/69 depending on thermostat controlling fan that draws from the top of the stove through a 6 inch supply, 240 CFM blower pulling upstairs. Stove is also equipped with the standard size blower which I believe is 250 CFM, heat is not a problem in a 60's ranch with upgraded windows and doors. I even have so much heat I am now blowing air into the garage another 350 sq ft, outside now is 33 and garage is 61.
Also I backed off on my max feed rate of my Coal-trol to 60 with my min at 10. I have the older Coal-trol which runs on a 100 second cycle, I believe the newer ones work on 120 second cycle, I am trying to confirm this. On mine a max of 60 means the feed motor runs 60 % of 100 seconds or 60 seconds every 100 seconds.
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:25 pm

For the record--just runnin that Keystoker for the week end isn't even time enough to get a real feel for what she can or can't do. Just sayin:)
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:32 am

OK , so back to your original post. As far as potential heat output don't give it a second thought you will sort that one out. Your Laser 73 takes about 3-5 minutes to start it's cycle and when running on high the fan noise is similar to my Keystoker but the Laser has a higher quality fan. It has a lot of fan speeds and when not being asked for max heat it can be very quiet. Once the heat cycle has started the heat is immediate as there is only about 2 pounds of metal to heat up and away we go, it's a quality heater in it's class. As FF said you gotta wait awhile for the 500 pound stove metal to heat up and then wait for the walls of the room to heat up so the heat radiates back so it can take awhile. As far as noise goes that is subjective. I personally don't like noisy fans in the living area and so I agree with your wife but obviously many posters don't care. The keystoker fan once on it's is on so if that's a deal breaker for the missus you won't fix that one.

Note: Astonomy Today magazine had an article nixing the ancient idea that the earth revolves around the sun. The wacko Native American author postulates a new theory that the planet revolves around his stove..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, damn I broke a rib.
coalnewbie
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93,
Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:06 pm

Welcome Joe,

When your keystoker is "running hard" how much ash is at the end of the grate ?? And do you see a feed rate of 99 when it is running hard ?

I might have missed it but do you have a baro and manometer ??

And something is definitely wrong if it is going out. At the very least you may have to adjust the minimum setting up a few. That should make it idle at a higher fire. Which could lead to it becoming warm in the room as it warms up outside.


That keystoker should heat that place....................



Rick
Rick 386
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA 260 heating both sides of twin farmhouse
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Hyfire II w/ coaltrol in garage
Coal Size/Type: Pea in AA 260, Rice in LL Hyfire II
Other Heating: Gas fired infared at work

Re: First season with Keystoker 90 maybe to big enough?

PostBy: tiogajoe On: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:55 pm

Rick,

I have just a barometric damper. I talked w/ keystoker today and they seem to like a plain old thermostat over the coal trol. They say they've seen too many problems.
tiogajoe
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Other Heating: toyostove

Visit Lehigh Anthracite