Are anthracite reserves running low?

Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: Merc300d On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:34 pm

I looked up online to read up on anthracite coal and a few sites came that mentioned the this particular coal was getting scarce. Has anybody heard of this? Especially from you guys close to coal country. Your thoughts.
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:12 pm

At current consumption, anthracite reserves in PA are nothing to worry about for a very long time,....however,.....regulation allowing those reserves to be recovered would be my main concern. :mad:
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:49 pm

I have read there is over 100 years supply at present consumption.
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: Merc300d On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:00 pm

I always feel there's an agenda to mislead the public. Who has to gain from misinformation. Thanks for the positivity.
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:01 pm

Of the twenty-three billion tons of anthracite in Pennsylvania when mining began, approximately twelve billion tons remain. On the other hand, fifty-eight billion tons of bituminous coal remain-three-fourths of this resource untouched-out of an original seventy-five billion tons.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/se ... mining_(ph)/472646
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: KingCoal On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:09 pm

makes you want to look for the very best stove you can find that can burn wood, anth and bit all 3 admirably doesn't it ?

think old school and we ain't talkin' '50's
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:30 pm

Merc,can you identify the Websites that stated Anthracite was becoming scarce?
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:52 pm

Be careful about the definition of "getting scarce." Is is scarce in your area? Is it scarce in total population of coal? Is it scarce as there is none left?

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: KingCoal On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:59 pm

Hi Rev. Larry

just thought i say how much i enjoy your avatar pic.

i come down every morning at 5:00 am to an otherwise dark house and the living room is bathed in that peach glow to the point it's also lighting the entry and dining room enough to safely move around with ease.

it's one of my greatest pleasures and favorite time of day.

steve
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:27 pm

Thanks for the kind comments. I know before I get one step in the door if the stove is ok. If it is not, the cat meets me at the door and starts yowling and running back and forth between me and the stove. Most of the time if I do not immediately tend to the stove he will get between my feet still yowling and will not stop until I either put coal in, take ash out, or do whatever is needed to get it glowing and cooking again. Like in the avatar he will lean up against the stove, sitting up and go to sleep. I don't understand why he doesn't burst into flames sometimes!!!

Yep I love that glow also. It is so nice to be able to move around the living room, dining room, and kitchen and never turn on a light. My wife loves to see the fire and we have had this "glass" in there two and a half heating seasons now. It has crazed and no amount of cleaning is going to let you see through it again. It's just an orange glow now. You can't see any fire at all. Not looking forward to shutdown. I love the gentle continuous heat that is coal heat.

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:42 pm

Anthracite in PA is past "peak", meaning simply that less than half of what was there to begin with still remains. it also means that (due to what is referred to as "high grading") the cheapest and easiest to extract anthracite is mostly long gone. Over time time the remaining anthracite will become progressively more difficult and costly to extract. And a some juncture the point must be reached where it costs more to extract it in the way of energy input than it can return as energy output, regardless of the cost to extract. When that point is finally reached anthracite mining will have reached the end of the game. There will still be a whole lot of PA anthracite remaining in the ground when that juncture is reached.
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:29 am

lsayre wrote:Anthracite in PA is past "peak", meaning simply that less than half of what was there to begin with still remains. it also means that (due to what is referred to as "high grading") the cheapest and easiest to extract anthracite is mostly long gone. Over time time the remaining anthracite will become progressively more difficult and costly to extract. And a some juncture the point must be reached where it costs more to extract it in the way of energy input than it can return as energy output, regardless of the cost to extract. When that point is finally reached anthracite mining will have reached the end of the game. There will still be a whole lot of PA anthracite remaining in the ground when that juncture is reached.


Isn't this statement true of just about every fuel solid or liquid that is currently in use except for wood? The cheapest and easiest
anthracite to get was long gone by the 1930-1940 era. Oil became the cheapest to get but now it's more expensive than this hard to get at coal isn't it?


Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant Casting 2310
Baseburners & Antiques: rebuilding a 1906 March Brownback Double Heater, reblacking a UMCO 1920's Pot Belly
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Wood in the VC and anything that will fit in the Bucket a Day. It's not fussy.

Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: Merc300d On: Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:48 am

I just punched up anthracite coal on a google search. I believe the website was about.com energy. Just scroll down the page. I just looked it up again to verify.
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:28 am

Thanx,Merc. I just wanted to see what was being put out. You remember that Classic-"If it's on the Internet,it has to be True". So much in Life seems to be a reaction to the Unverified. One thing I know,without doing a Search,is that what we do here is based on Experience. Members from all walks of Life gather here to speak on the Heating Niche we know as Anthracite. I know I can get actual burn results from others that have purchased from a Mine or Dealer. I know that if I've saved up the Kapushka's,I can get a Tractor Trailer Load and have my Fuel safely stored at the Home I need to keep warm. It's there. I know that really helps in the War that we're all in right now. That is a True Base Comfort to me,and it makes a thing called a Budget a lot more of a Reality. This past Winter,alot of Folks were short on Coal. We all Learn from each other....Make Your choices-Victim or Survivor. We're going to All do the Best We can.... :up:
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Re: Are anthracite reserves running low?

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:45 am

blrman07 wrote:Isn't this statement true of just about every fuel solid or liquid that is currently in use except for wood? The cheapest and easiest
anthracite to get was long gone by the 1930-1940 era. Oil became the cheapest to get but now it's more expensive than this hard to get at coal isn't it?


Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.


For "conventional" oil wells many feel that crude oil is nearing, at, or actually past peak. Yes, that means that from here forward oil will become progressively more expensive until the energy expense of extracting it exceeds the energy return from the oil itself.

This is certainly true for the USA, and Saudi Arabia is currently pumping massive amounts of ocean water into the Ghawar oil field in order to continue extracting oil. Where once they got nearly 100% crude out of the ground, now they are getting 90% salt water and 10% oil.
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