The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:03 pm

Conservatives (including Rand Paul) seem to be running from Clive Bundy over some racist remarks that are fundamentally irrelevant to what is happening to him in Nevada. Is he now going to be crucified for free speech in addition to all of the other woes that loom over him?
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:45 pm

lsayre wrote:Conservatives (including Rand Paul) seem to be running from Clive Bundy over some racist remarks that are fundamentally irrelevant to what is happening to him in Nevada. Is he now going to be crucified for free speech in addition to all of the other woes that loom over him?


Lets hear the sound bite, oh wait, I don't know much about this man but they will make him evil before they burn him out. They will not let him win.

I don't know if he is right or wrong but they will take him down.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:50 pm

I disagree with the way he said it, but the essence of what he said has been expressed before. Including by Rand Paul.

With 25% of the minority community doing time at some point in their life and representing around 80% of the people currently incarcerated, one has to ask if they are more or less free.

But then, I don't think I, as lily white as I am, am truly free either. But that is a different thread....
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:06 pm

For what it's worth, forget about AJ.

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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:37 pm

Why is it that so many that believe in the Constitution of the U.S. are so passionate to defend someone that denounces the United States?
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:39 pm

Please delete my last post.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:49 pm

samhill wrote:Please delete my last post.



You should have an edit button for the post.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Tried that Flyer, deleted the whole thing but it was still there when I hit submit.
Just tried again, no luck.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:00 pm

samhill wrote:Why is it that so many that believe in the Constitution of the U.S. are so passionate to defend someone that denounces the United States?


Because the a-holes in D.C. aren't "the US" or anywhere close to the Constitution.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: tjnamtiw On: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:17 pm

jpete wrote:
samhill wrote:Why is it that so many that believe in the Constitution of the U.S. are so passionate to defend someone that denounces the United States?


Because the a-holes in D.C. aren't "the US" or anywhere close to the Constitution.


AND it's called the First Amendment! Of course, under this regime, the Constitution is an irrelevant old rag.
Ole Bundy is not an orator but the essence of what he said is absolutely true. That's why the Lefties hate it so much. They hate facing the truth. Better to change the subject or just start shouting anything, which seems to be a common ploy.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:43 am

Regardless of him being a racist POS (which he is given his initial comments and then his doubling down on his "blacks are better as slaves" crap when asked to clarify it a few days later), he, himself, is a massive welfare mooch who thinks he doesn't have to pay taxes because, FU, that's why. He's a loser sovereign citizen wannabe who simply thought he could use land that wasnt his without paying for it. How is there any defense for that? It'd be much the same as if I went to the state forest next to my house and set up a commercial maple sugar farm and said "What? I'm not paying you for using this, blah blah blah".

He's a criminal and they should have just seized all the cattle to pay the fine...what he's doing is no different than any other massive fraud scheme.

I think its hilarious that he was outted as a massive racist. It shows you just how ignorant and stupid he really is.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:31 pm

Davian wrote:Regardless of him being a racist POS (which he is given his initial comments and then his doubling down on his "blacks are better as slaves" crap when asked to clarify it a few days later), he, himself, is a massive welfare mooch who thinks he doesn't have to pay taxes because, FU, that's why. He's a loser sovereign citizen wannabe who simply thought he could use land that wasnt his without paying for it. How is there any defense for that? It'd be much the same as if I went to the state forest next to my house and set up a commercial maple sugar farm and said "What? I'm not paying you for using this, blah blah blah".

He's a criminal and they should have just seized all the cattle to pay the fine...what he's doing is no different than any other massive fraud scheme.

I think its hilarious that he was outted as a massive racist. It shows you just how ignorant and stupid he really is.


Just curious where did you get your news from? He was willing to pay the taxes. But they would not accept because he did refuse to sign the new lease that stripped the Bundys of a majority of the water rights and limited the herd size to the point it put the other 50 ranchers out of the 51 out of business.
The comments he made are being twisted out of context against him in typical big government fashion.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:49 pm

How are they being "twisted". Its all on video.

As for the lease, the ability for them to modify it was always in there and they used it. He stopped paying over 20 years ago, he lost all rights to any of the land at that point.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:50 pm

Davian wrote:How are they being "twisted". Its all on video.

As for the lease, the ability for them to modify it was always in there and they used it. He stopped paying over 20 years ago, he lost all rights to any of the land at that point.


They are being twisted by ignoring the point he was trying to bring out which was badly stated. His point, I believe, is that black families are not being served under the existing conditions of welfare servitude which leads to family destruction and crime statistics beyond their population percentage.

He could have stated it a lot better as some black leaders have made a similar point. This was an angry man making off the cuff statements after being subject to government action that went far beyond anything reasonable, which is why there is such furor. Very few could speak calmly and sensibly with a snipers rifle trained on their head.

This came very close to a replay of Ruby Ridge for absolutely no reason.
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Re: The next Branch Dividian or Ruby Ridge in the Offing?

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:08 pm

Embattled rancher compares himself with Rosa Parks

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/loc ... TvcyA.cspx
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