Another plant bites the dust

Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: mkline On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:53 pm

It's been here since the 40's but new regulations cost too much.I live just north from it.

http://wnep.com/2014/04/15/electric-plant-set-to-shut-down/

Mike
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:17 pm

Mike, is this the same plant or a different one?
http://www.dailyitem.com/0100_news/x585 ... conversion
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:49 pm

yup, they're converting to 900mw nat gas. What a waste. Good for the utilities and operators, not good for all the people employed by the coal industry and not good long-term for electricity consumers. Nat. gas will NOT remain competative; a 900 MW plant consumes an incredible amount of NG and this slack in the market will soon be eliminated.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:24 pm

There's "slack" in the market ? Not here !

We're paying well over $4.00 a gallon for pro-pain. And it's been high for a few years.

In filing away tax paperwork this morning, I just came across a pro-pain bill from back in Nov of 2011. I paid $3.999 a gallon even back then!

With this administration's energy policies, I think that the more they switch over to gas, the more we're screwed !

I definitely gotta get that coal bin expanded this summer !!!

Paul
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:33 pm

Everyone seems to forget that all these utilities are independent of Gov. control for the most part they are only beholden to the stockholders. Now that everything is on a global market the crap that Russia is pulling brings up prices worldwide. Many if not most of the NG wells are being drilled & capped, if you think it's high now just wait they are in their create a shortage mode now & once the price gets higher they will slowly release for profit not for supply. It's the American way above all else profit first.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:42 pm

Sam, I usually don't bother responding to you, but, I am so sick of your nonsense. Just stop. If you have nothing to add to a topic, keep your nonsensical anti-american, anti-profit and almost universally flat-out wrong ramblings to yourself.

Sunnyboy, Slack is in the NG market, not the pro - pain market. Propane is easily stored and transported and will always be a more valuable gas. This is why I always recommend having oil backup heat, not propane If NG isn't available.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:57 pm

Oh so sorry Berlin, didn't realize I was disturbing you. I do have a friend that has five NG wells on his property in Greene County four of which are capped & they are still drilling & capping neighboring farms. If I'm so wrong just prove it, should be easy for a smart guy like yourself.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:26 pm

The problem sam, and this is typical, is that you mention a number of different things, almost all of them wrong, then seize on the one that wasn't, and say "see, i'm right, see, i told you, look at me..."

If you want to add something to a conversation, don't spew nonsense, stick to the one thing you actually might know about and mention that. I never said everything you say is wrong, re-read my post, I said that almost everything you say is wrong.

Yes, they're drilling and capping wells, but Russia has little to nothing to do w/ US NG prices, NG prices have little to nothing to do w/ Propane prices and your statements on "the american way" and "profit" are baseless oversimplification and propagandizing that add little to no value to this discussion.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:29 pm

Please point out what I said that was so wrong Berlin & if so I'll gladly apologize. :?
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:59 pm

Sam,
" Everyone seems to forget that all these utilities are independent of Gov. control for the most part they are only beholden to the stockholders. ........'

Independent of Government control, really ?

It's not the gas companies, or their stock holders that have stopped all drilling and exploration in NYS. Our Dem Governor Cuomo has put a moratorium on all drilling and exploration. That's TOTAL Government control.

Paul
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:12 pm

samhill wrote:Oh so sorry Berlin, didn't realize I was disturbing you. I do have a friend that has five NG wells on his property in Greene County four of which are capped & they are still drilling & capping neighboring farms. If I'm so wrong just prove it, should be easy for a smart guy like yourself.


You know why that is don't you?
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:17 pm

SB I was referring about the NG wells that have been drilled & capped. The coal fired plants have had their day in the sun, many have chosen not to modernize for decades (probably thinking the day of a different fuel would never come) don't know that for sure, just guessing. I know the Elrama, Pa. plant never did anything to limit their emissions unless forced & then got Gov. funding for at least partial cost. They had built another modern NG plant in anticipation but hadn't put it on line, they all knew it was coming. There is a good feature on coal mining in America & worldwide in the April National Geographic for anyone that cares.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:26 pm

On another subject there is a tires to energy plant going in near me, they have private funding & technically have passed all the criteria from the EPA & anyone else. After years of fighting people that complain about lack of jobs & high energy costs but don't want a plant near them it's a done deal, the tire shredding portion is near completion & then the energy phase starts, if they can figure out a way to burn tires cleanly they can do it with coal as well. I'll try & get some more info on that tomorrow evening at my local power co-op meeting.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:28 pm

If the government were paying me to drill holes, I'd drill holes and cap them too.

http://www.api.org/policy/tax/apikeytax ... g_cost.pdf

Currently, independent producers can deduct 100 percent of their intangible drilling costs in the year they are incurred. Integrated oil companies may deduct 70 percent of their intangible costs in the current year and must amortize the remaining 30 percent of those costs over five years.


http://energytaxfacts.com/issues/intang ... ing-costs/

What are IDCs?

Quite simply, Intangible Drilling Costs (IDCs) represent all expenses an operator may incur at the wellsite that don’t – by themselves – produce a physical asset for the producer. In the oil and natural gas business, those costs include things like labor and site preparation, renting drilling rigs – costs that have no salvage value after they are spent.
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Re: Another plant bites the dust

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:41 pm

Right you are Jpete, in some states they even end up making more than spent but if they were to start marketing it would drive the price down like it did a short time ago. The demand is increasing & they can limit the supply side.
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