Just who are the sheep

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:11 pm

Once again I'm guessing that a lot has to do with local laws, in Pa. you have had to pass a clearance & background when you wanted a CCP, when buying a gun from a legal dealer there had to be paperwork. All that wouldn't change as far as I know but you couldn't go to a gunshow or private individual & buy "no questions asked). If you ask why it's because people ruined it for themselves, I almost bought a nine MM off a guy I worked with & then found out he buys two a pay at a discount price & sells one to make some money back. Legal but selling one every two weeks to whoever comes up with the cash first, I just didn't feel comfortable buying from him, it's comes down to personal preference. When in business I always sold through a dealer just to cover myself & the seller, if they didn't want the paperwork the next guy would buy. If some talking head makes it into something more then that just furthers my point.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:37 pm

samhill wrote:Once again I'm guessing that a lot has to do with local laws, in Pa. you have had to pass a clearance & background when you wanted a CCP, when buying a gun from a legal dealer there had to be paperwork. All that wouldn't change as far as I know but you couldn't go to a gunshow or private individual & buy "no questions asked). If you ask why it's because people ruined it for themselves, I almost bought a nine MM off a guy I worked with & then found out he buys two a pay at a discount price & sells one to make some money back. Legal but selling one every two weeks to whoever comes up with the cash first, I just didn't feel comfortable buying from him, it's comes down to personal preference. When in business I always sold through a dealer just to cover myself & the seller, if they didn't want the paperwork the next guy would buy. If some talking head makes it into something more then that just furthers my point.



BR chks, training, etc ... all bogus to your RKBA. One can play the game or choose not to play at all.

Think a guy selling is shady? Don't buy from him...if he is or not, its your money right?

I build my own guns .... eliminates all hassles ... and its fun (most of the time, like when one builds anything) and a good skill to know.

Pew pew pew ! :)
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:41 pm

samhill wrote:Flyer, I don't have time right now to listen to the entire thing but are you implying that only liberals are interested in gun safety & restrictions & that it is somehow unconstitutional or whatever else for them to teach but at the same time OK to hold gun support rallies? Are the rallies restricted to only cons where you are since I have never seen that at anything around here. It' not as easy as left or right.



Its not about the guns. Its about the word play used by liberals to try to take our freedoms. Oh lets call it common sense or common core learning. Its all done to play on peoples emotions using the right combo of words.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:21 pm

Just exactly which freedoms have been taken away by Obama? Remember he is the first one since who knows when to allow guns in Fed. Parks for self protection & such. There is a sinister (maybe not the best word) group that has a huge self interest in all of this, once again clouding up issues with emotions & innuendos.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:40 pm

samhill wrote:Just exactly which freedoms have been taken away by Obama? Remember he is the first one since who knows when to allow guns in Fed. Parks for self protection & such. There is a sinister (maybe not the best word) group that has a huge self interest in all of this, once again clouding up issues with emotions & innuendos.



Sam I don't think the republicans or the democratic politicians have yours or mine best interests. But the one that gives us a level playing field is the 2nd amendment. I just do not feel we need any more of these do nothing laws . Obama tried but failed on the firearms. Obama care took away choice . I now have to pay for birth control and whatever else caused my insurance to go from something like $575/month to $1300/month.
You are correct NSA, Patriot act DHS . All took away much more than Obama has. I did not help Bush get a 2nd term. Emotions should not be used in rule and lawmaking.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:39 pm

Flyer, as for the choice those cheap BC pills don't mean crap except to confuse the issue, don't know about now but years ago because they were a prescription med. & you had to see a doc. to get them it made them a covered med. & they are widely used for other reasons as well. The same with Viagra & other blood pressure meds. (I know WTF am I talking about) but that's what it was for & it was a script required med. so covered. The thing that raised my HI a bit was they had to add dental & eye which I never had before. Some may say I don't need glasses so why should I pay & I could counter with I don't need the pre natal care but it all becomes less costly if included in a blanket policy. Just like why do home owners that are childless pay school tax, life isn't always fair.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:20 pm

samhill wrote:Flyer, as for the choice those cheap BC pills don't mean crap except to confuse the issue, don't know about now but years ago because they were a prescription med. & you had to see a doc. to get them it made them a covered med. & they are widely used for other reasons as well. The same with Viagra & other blood pressure meds. (I know WTF am I talking about) but that's what it was for & it was a script required med. so covered. The thing that raised my HI a bit was they had to add dental & eye which I never had before. Some may say I don't need glasses so why should I pay & I could counter with I don't need the pre natal care but it all becomes less costly if included in a blanket policy. Just like why do home owners that are childless pay school tax, life isn't always fair.




Yep added vision as well. I was happy with my old plan but $725/month extra seems extreme. Oh yea the co-pays and deductibles are higher as well. Their definition of improvement is different than mine. I am still looking for a different company or plan.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: cabinover On: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:10 am

Sam, just keep in mind that the guy (Sanders) is looking for a shot at the Presidency.

He also is the first one to step back when asked if he would be willing to donate his $174K a year salary to the "good of da people".

The man is a millionaire by standing out in the rain and whining for "da poor, da unfortunate, workin people". Give us more of the working peoples tax money so we can fix that.

He's a mouthpiece that these liberal idiots in Burlington and Middlebury, VT keep voting in. He does not represent any persons ideas that I know of unless they are ones standing with their hands out.

When asked if he intends to run as an independent he belly flops all over and when pinned down he admits that he caucuses with the Democrats. Another snake like EVERY one of them in Washington, no backbone, Dem or Repub.

Feel free to take him to your state to be your Senator.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:04 am

That's why I keep preaching about term limits, that would affect both sides & get them out before they get too powerful & while we're at it lets get some more common folks, I know that would be hard simply because normal people are trying to make a decent living & don't have the cash backing to run. Why would lawyers (who basically learn the way around laws)become law makers when they are used to working the laws to favor their clients (lobbyist). Doctors & big business farmers should be limited as well, the little farmer gets crapped on & naturally the Docs are setting their & the Ins. Co. profits. Where are the engineers, scientists & academics along with other occupations that experience the real world.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:13 am

samhill wrote:SB, if your referring to me I do complain about extremes either way but in reading your reply you start off in the middle & then make a sudden sharp right. :o


The next time I see you criticize someone on the left will be the FIRST time.

You blame everything from the national debt to simple chronic halitosis on the right and conservatives in general.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Tue May 06, 2014 7:54 am

Jpete, I always say that both sides say they pretty much agree that some things are out of hand & they would like to either change or entirely get rid of them. Both sides have had their chance in recent history but yet we still have the same problems & somehow they grew. The left for example want to lessen Corp. welfare while the right wants to increase it but which one costs the most & does the least? Right wants to be thought of as fiscally responsible but which one has cost the most? There are many things that need changed that both agree on but it's the direction that differs & then there's other things that are way out of hand & neither side will even talk about yet alone compromise on. Both sides share fault I just don't blame one or the other for what they didn't cause or even help to prevent. Going into two wars & having the Pharm. Industry write a script plan while not only not paying for them but cutting taxes (income) as well just somehow doesn't sound prudent to me. The same as constantly extending UC is wrong as well, if they can't find a equal job then take what they can but don't keep paying them.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu May 08, 2014 10:37 am

To be fair, .

I have seen a number of posts by Sam complaining about the screw-ups done by Dems too.

He may take a few sips now and then, but he doesn't chug the whole bottle of cool-aid, like so many diehard libs I've seen. :D

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu May 08, 2014 10:47 am

samhill wrote:Jpete, I always say that both sides say they pretty much agree that some things are out of hand & they would like to either change or entirely get rid of them. Both sides have had their chance in recent history but yet we still have the same problems & somehow they grew. The left for example want to lessen Corp. welfare while the right wants to increase it but which one costs the most & does the least? Right wants to be thought of as fiscally responsible but which one has cost the most? There are many things that need changed that both agree on but it's the direction that differs & then there's other things that are way out of hand & neither side will even talk about yet alone compromise on. Both sides share fault I just don't blame one or the other for what they didn't cause or even help to prevent. Going into two wars & having the Pharm. Industry write a script plan while not only not paying for them but cutting taxes (income) as well just somehow doesn't sound prudent to me. The same as constantly extending UC is wrong as well, if they can't find a equal job then take what they can but don't keep paying them.



The argument for Corp welfare is that dollar for dollar, it puts far more money and jobs back into growing the economy so that there is more tax base.

It doesn't take long to see how public welfare has lead to fewer and fewer wanting to work at all. Plus, the not-so-small percentage of that welfare money goes to supporting illegal activities, which many levels of Government get no tax money back from, but instead, have to spend a lot more tax dollars fighting crime, warehousing criminals, and paying for other social services needed along with welfare, because of the welfare culture that it fostered. Welfare , and the welfare culture it creates only reduces the tax base for State and Fed Governments to work with.

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 08, 2014 11:00 am

SB, there is no doubt a problem with the low end of welfare but that excuse of the tax payers & job creators gets mighty lame just look at the #s Except for Clinton raising the business tax for awhile the tax has been the lowest it's been since Reagan. Using that excuse doesn't work, if it did we would have way too many jobs & not enough workers so a lot less on the low end. I really don't think the majority of able bodied want to be out of work & on welfare & again if you look there are many of all races & political parties receiving welfare. The upper end is the one that ships jobs & keeps profits off shore, the lower end spends every dime they get just to survive & that all stays right here.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu May 08, 2014 12:57 pm

samhill wrote: ................ the lower end spends every dime they get just to survive & that all stays right here.



You mean like the billions and billions the illegals send back to Mexico. You realize it's such a huge influx of wealth that helps Mexico, that the Mexican Government does nothing about trying to stop the illegal boarder crossings.

Yet it costs us way beyond just the loss of billions in tax free money getting sent out of the country - it costs us in welfare and social services, SS and other benefits they receive. Almost all that money gets sent back to families in Mexico - estimated to be one of the biggest sources of income to Mexico as a whole.

You mean that lower end ?

Or the lower end that is doing such a good job of supporting illegal drug trade that pays no taxes but burns up hundreds of billions with it's impact on our society ?

Here's a think test.
If we could take away the welfare what would happen to the economy?
And if we take away the Corporations what would happen to the economy?

So which one's "welfare" helps the economy more ?

Paul
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