Just who are the sheep

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Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:36 pm

Often there are many accusations & plenty of name calling about blind followers, even as I found this to be interesting I'm sure I'll be in the vast minority (here anyhow).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-berni ... mg00000013
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:04 pm

So what this is saying is people would have to earn a wage and learn to save for retirement. Personal responsibility? Never happen.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:25 pm

Absolutely right Flyer, before Min wage & SS people worked (& there was plenty of work for the willing)basically until they died or were no longer able to work. I don't know your situation so I'll use mine, when I was young & raising a family there was no such thing as extra money to set aside for retirement. Wages were a lot lower but still way much better than way back then so I can only imagine how they lived, I got very little out of my Grand Parents simply because they were uncomfortable talking about those not so good ole days. With people working up to an old age there were less & less jobs & more & more people looking (sound familiar)so that people would have a little something to survive on & in turn jobs would open up a means of savings for retirement that was held for you was created (I don't think it was meant to be spent by the Gov.) but we all know it was stolen.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:43 pm

Sheep, no ! More like lemmings trying to drag our nation toward a cliff.

" Our great nation must not be hijacked by a handful of billionaire FAMILES. For the sake of our children and grandchildren we must fight back. "

Huffington Post - worried about the Koch Brothers. Long on emotion, short on facts.

Of course they never mention any of the many Dem politicians and lib organizations who also complain about the Koch Brothers, but willingly took contributions from them. Hypocrites all.

And of course no complaints about George Soros dumping billions into the extreme lib side of the equation. By the way, do you ever think he'll feel bad about changing his name to hide the fact he was born a Jew, but he helped rob Jews during WWII ? Or, his purposely manipulating and crashing the British pound and badly damaging their economy to make his billions. Or does it strike them as strange that Soros is one of the world's greediest capitalists, while duping the lemmings into thinking he's a socialist like them ?

Hypocrites leading lemmings - quite a combo !

Yeah, no political bias by the Huff Po ! :D

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:05 pm

Sb, are the things they point out about what Koch wanted in his failed bit not true? Are they not much of the same things that they & the right once again supporting? The jest of it was what once was considered too radical is now what the right as a party is leaning toward.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: J F Graham On: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:04 pm

Sam, I feel that we are living under the most sophisticated dictatorship that money can buy. I have lost faith in govt and fear for my children and my soon to be grandchild. Both you and Paul have very valid points and I gravitate towards both your points of view. It's a scary thought that now our country can be sold to the highest bidder; and screw the middle class that made this country. I am afraid that we'll soon be labeled the "Socialist States of America". My only hope is that there is still a contingency of tough "SOB's" that refuse to follow. Keep up the good work!!!
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:02 am

samhill wrote:Sb, are the things they point out about what Koch wanted in his failed bit not true? Are they not much of the same things that they & the right once again supporting? The jest of it was what once was considered too radical is now what the right as a party is leaning toward.


Both sides have their share of too radical for me. And the lamestream media just seems to be feeding on and normalizing those extremist views while ignoring the vast majority -which is moderates on both side. They try to make the right look like rich evil capitalists, but look at how much money the media types pull in.

For the most part, we are still a nation of moderates, but like the squeaky wheel, the extremists get more attention.

What I don't care for is the bias in the left-leaning media in this country- like Huff Po - that only sees evil things being done on the right. It's like a magician who wants you to only watch one hand, while he picks your pocket with the other.

If someone's only going to bitch about what the right is, or isn't doing, they need to get the scales off their eyes and take a long, cold, hard look at the left ! If not, they shouldn't complain when they get dumped on by every right leaning person.

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:49 am

SB, if your referring to me I do complain about extremes either way but in reading your reply you start off in the middle & then make a sudden sharp right. :o
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:24 am

Your link says otherwise. You posted a link to an article that is obviously only a far left view. It leaves out entirely any counter point examples. In short, it implies that only wealthy conservatives are the greedy power hungry ones. No mention of even worse ones like Soros, or Blumberg.

I pointed out that there extremes for both left and right. And, if the far left-view person, which by only linking to that particular article instead of an article that covered the same subject of power-brokering more equitably it implies you too, then they shouldn't complain when they get dumped on.

If you consider yourself more moderate and complain about both extremes, I think you should have linked to an article that was not so obviously one-sided.

"... sharp right." And thank you for the compliment. :D

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:50 am

Training class for liberals

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:00 pm

SB, I didn't write the article & only made a reference to those that always bring up the sheep ideology. Old man Soros is not the same as his son. Just as all wealthy & all poor are not the same, some got money for nothing while others earned their own & still other thru no fault of their own just can't get a break & on that side there are those that are just the never changing garden slug variety. There is a great difference between giving someone a helping hand & giving someone the finger. I think it's pretty sad when a great wealthy society chooses to decrease the elderly's SS to guarantee the continuation of tax breaks for the 1%.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:07 pm

Flyer, I don't have time right now to listen to the entire thing but are you implying that only liberals are interested in gun safety & restrictions & that it is somehow unconstitutional or whatever else for them to teach but at the same time OK to hold gun support rallies? Are the rallies restricted to only cons where you are since I have never seen that at anything around here. It' not as easy as left or right.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:18 pm

They can pass all the laws they want; they are not worth the paper that they are written on.

I only registered what I could be forced to register: nothing.

People in NY did the same.

Good for them.
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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:20 pm

Soros' son has nothing to do with what old man Soros did, and is still doing, supposedly in the name of socialism, while continuing to be one of the worlds leading greedy capitalists.

And, back pedal all you want, but you picked that one-sided Huff Po link. And if it doesn't show your point, well , . . .

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Re: Just who are the sheep

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:23 pm

" They can pass all the laws they want; they are not worth the paper that they are written on.

I only registered what I could be forced to register: nothing.

People in NY did the same.

Good for them."


Anyone remember all the assurances the Dems gave back when they were trying to push through the '94 assault weapons ban? How there would NEVER be gun registration in the USA because they were not interested in gun registration, or confiscation?

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