So voter fraud doesn't exist

Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:38 pm

Here's a little passage from former Mayor Cianci's book "Politics and Pasta". For those of you not familiar with "Buddy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Cianci

Vincent Albert "Buddy" Cianci, Jr. served as the mayor of Providence, Rhode Island, USA, from 1975 to 1984 and again from 1991 to 2002. Cianci was the longest-serving mayor of Providence, and one of the longest-serving "big city" mayors in United States history, having held office for over 21 years.

Notably, he was forced to resign from office twice due to felony convictions. His first administration ended in 1984 when he pleaded guilty to assault. His second stint as mayor ended when he was forced to resign following his conviction for racketeering conspiracy (running a corrupt criminal enterprise), and he served four years in federal prison.

Cianci was first elected mayor as the candidate of the Republican Party. While in office he declared himself an independent, and as of 2009 he said he had no party affiliation.


Here's how I knew I was going to lose. Lloyd Griffin had been collecting absentee ballots for the election. His people would go to hospitals and the homes of elderly people to help them apply for an absentee ballot. Obtaining an absentee ballot required a notary, and Lloyd was simply helping out people. In fact, he was helping them out so much that he had the ballots mailed directly to his headquarters. When the ballots arrived, he might have taken them to the people who requested them. It's possible. I was told that his people were so nice they would actually help people fill out their ballots. And if, for example, they didn't want to vote for Mayor Cianci, they would happily put an "X" right next to his name.

A few weeks prior to the election, Lloyd came to see me. I was sitting in my office in a crewneck sweater, he was in a combat jacket. He asked, "Mayor, have you ever seen thirty-two hundred absentee ballots in one place?"

"Can't say that I have, Lloyd."
"Would you like to see them?"
"Yes, I would, but I'm not going to touch them. The last thing I want is my fingerprints on them."
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:22 am

I listen to Buddy's show now and again on the radio...probably did more to showcase the political shenanigans of the Mob connections and how government works in RI.

The thing that impresses me is that Buddy learned how to stay out of prison by re-inventing himself and staying clean. Our own version in Ct., convicted felon John Rowland ( as of 2wks ago a Radio personality himself) is under federal indictment again and looking a 37yrs in the Pen.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:56 am

Buddy did his 5 years in a "Federally funded gated community" and now he can take shots at all those who pointed fingers at him. I'm sure he is behind the recent raid on the RI House Speaker. There are still plenty of people loyal to Buddy in government here and they call in tips constantly.

There is even talk of him running for governor. A job he once aspired to and the current governors father, John Chafee, screwed him out of. I don't play political chess near as well as Grandmaster Cianci, but I have a feeling he is behind the campaigns of at least one, maybe two candidates for governor who might be able to draw off enough support from some others so that if he decides to announce in late May, he can slip into a 3 way race and there's no doubt he could get 35% of the vote in a general election.

That's how our current governor, Lincoln Chafee, did it. And if that mouth breathing idiot can do it, Buddy sure can.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:00 pm

Samhill and Davian say..."it's not wide spread they say...bit and pieces they say...not enough to worry about they say...40 thousand here and there, not a big deal they say.

Jesus, not even funny I say! You two are not worthy, just non issues, not even worthy of an argument any longer. You've been proven wrong to many times, you both might as well deny the Holocaust.

How pathetic.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... um=twitter
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:25 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/2 ... 90104.html
Guess there is some discrepancy about being proven wrong, I guess in con world if someone says so that's proof. In the real world show me some proof.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:30 pm

So your argument that voter fraud doesn't exist is that "republicans do it too!" :?
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:36 pm

Jpete, let me repeat again I never said it doesn't exist, it merely is so small & almost always caught before counted.
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
While it could be said that even one vote could make a difference, true with an election that is won by one vote which happens all the time. Not to change the subject but the same could be said about most things, many of which could be a matter of life or death.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:43 pm

jpete wrote:So your argument that voter fraud doesn't exist is that "republicans do it too!" :?


Moral equivalence...right out of Rules for Radicals (otherwise known as Communistic thuggery for achieving goals) Chit happens on our side, but we do it for noble reasons, IE: Tom Styers is a righteous Liberal Billionaire who is allowed to determine doctrine, ie: (Keystone) yet the Koch brothers are not allowed to contribute to their cause ??

Both of you douche bags have a issue with a democratic republic?

Do us a favor, take your anti -American Ideals and move to France.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:12 pm

Your right Ed or is it Edwina, please take it over to FSC & play nice with the other children. If you can't provide fact then call names, very adult. :(
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:26 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, let me repeat again I never said it doesn't exist, it merely is so small & almost always caught before counted.
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
While it could be said that even one vote could make a difference, true with an election that is won by one vote which happens all the time. Not to change the subject but the same could be said about most things, many of which could be a matter of life or death.


But I posted an example, and can provide more of when it WASN'T caught and WAS enough to throw an election. And that's in the smallest state in the country. You don't think it goes on everywhere else?! Please. Don't be naive.

RI has a long and storied past with election rigging.

RHODE ISLAND: A CORRUPTED PEOPLE

SHOWING THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS CAN BE BOUGHT
(CHEAP) TO SELL OUT THEIR CITIES AND STATES

By Lincoln Steffens • February 1905


http://blogs.wpri.com/2011/11/25/from-t ... de-island/

The corruption of the voters of the
towns of Rhode Island is so ancient and so common that
Governor Lucius F. C. Garvin addressed in March, 1903,
a “Special Message concerning Bribery in Elections to
the Honorable, the General Assembly,” etc.:

“GENTLEMEN:– … That bribery exists to a great ex-
tent in the elections of this State is a matter of common
knowledge. No general election passes without, in some
sections of the State, the purchase of votes by one or both
of the great political parties. It is true that the results of the
election may not often be changed, so far as the candidates
on the State ticket are concerned, but many Assemblymen
occupy the seats they do by means of purchased votes.

“In a considerable number of our towns bribery is so com-
mon and has existed for so many years that the awful nature
of the crime has ceased to impress. In some towns the bribery
takes place openly; is not called bribery, nor considered a
serious matter. The money paid to the voter, whether $2,
$5, or $20, is spoken of as “payment for his time.” The claim
that the money given to the elector is not for the purpose of
influencing his vote, but is compensation for time lost in
visiting the polls, is the merest sophistry, and should not
deceive any adult citizen of ordinary intelligence. It is
well known that in such towns, when one political party is
supplied with a corruption fund and the other is without,
the party so provided invariably elects its Assembly ticket,
thus affording positive proof that the votes are bought and
the voters bribed. ….”




And let's not forget the most notable case.

“Don't buy a single vote more than necessary. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for a landslide.”

Joseph P. Kennedy


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... obbed.html
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:40 pm

Jpete, I can't even guess how many election laws have been changed since then, most likely for both better & worse. It seems like some want to regress backwards instead of advancing. If I got it right that was more about out & out buying votes (sound familiar) restricting the rights of some to vote & the like. That's a dark point when cash was spread in the open because they could, buying votes in a bar because they could, as I said there are always those thinking of how to game any system so is it better to change or turn a blind eye. I don't think there has ever been an election in any country where someone hasn't thought of & perhaps tried & gotten away or gotten caught, nothing is human proof.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: Ed.A On: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:38 am

Just stomp your feet , hold hands over your ears and yell nom nom Sammy. You have no argument, just talking in circles . Proof keeps defeating you, yet you keep going.

Admit it, your world consists of denial and chasing windmills.

Yep, real adult.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:51 am

Careful Ed. He will try to scare you with threats and phrases that make no sense. Ya know like he does here.
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:18 am

As I said take it elsewhere, IMO this part of the Forum is for genuine discussion, Don't know how many if any are turned away by reading some of the crap but when there is a place to take it I think we should do so. :(
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Re: So voter fraud doesn't exist

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:20 am

Sorry Jpete & those others that were really trying to get somewhere.
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