47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:51 am

While only 38% believe the Republicans do.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... can_people
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: stovehospital On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:16 am

47% is also about the number of folks getting free stuff from the government. People on the take love democrats
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:13 am

I ain't saying I'm a fan of welfare but your #s are a bit flawed, it varies widely from state to state so you can't blame it all on one place or time. I do however in my undereducated working class mind seem to remember there being some connection to welfare of many different kinds being directly affected by job opportunities which for some reason we don't seem to have. I can't understand why the job creators are making more now that at almost any point in history, I guess maybe nobody wants to work so they had to go off shore to create jobs, yea that's the ticket had to keep both jobs & money off shore. :P
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:23 pm

samhill wrote:I can't understand why the job creators are making more now that at almost any point in history, I guess maybe nobody wants to work so they had to go off shore to create jobs, yea that's the ticket had to keep both jobs & money off shore.

This is not easy to answer because there is some truth to it which I feel just as bitter about as you. You are diligent in research, yet where is the research that can throw some light on how things got this way? Who created NAFTA and lowered tariffs? Why is it that there are now more people deriving their income from government than there are workers actually producing that income. The last statistic I read stated that each worker in the private sector now has to support himself and 1.2 other people. Some of those people actually do further the conditions under which wealth is created such as providing national and local security and an orderly market, but the rest contribute no taxes.

The financial industry is the place where some of those obscene incomes are, but why if not for government bailing them out and providing multi million dollar bonuses as well?

We know about the companies that shipped jobs overseas, but what about all the thousands of companies that simply disappeared because they could no longer be competitive? Who created those conditions?

When you were breaking your ass working in a steel mill you probably had to think long and hard before making a purchase of a TV or other item. Things were a lot more expensive then compared to dirt cheap prices today. If things were produced here they probably would cost double or more, so it is not all bad.

This country always had higher labor costs yet could dominated the world with many of its products. It was done through innovation, and inspiration, and ingenuity, in market conditions that were freer than any place else. Rewards were great but so was job creation. Take those things away with the cold dead hand of government and pay the price just as the old Soviet Union did or our own Detroit.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:36 pm

franco b wrote:
samhill wrote:I can't understand why the job creators are making more now that at almost any point in history, I guess maybe nobody wants to work so they had to go off shore to create jobs, yea that's the ticket had to keep both jobs & money off shore.

This is not easy to answer because there is some truth to it which I feel just as bitter about as you. You are diligent in research, yet where is the research that can throw some light on how things got this way? Who created NAFTA and lowered tariffs? Why is it that there are now more people deriving their income from government than there are workers actually producing that income. The last statistic I read stated that each worker in the private sector now has to support himself and 1.2 other people. Some of those people actually do further the conditions under which wealth is created such as providing national and local security and an orderly market, but the rest contribute no taxes.

The financial industry is the place where some of those obscene incomes are, but why if not for government bailing them out and providing multi million dollar bonuses as well?

We know about the companies that shipped jobs overseas, but what about all the thousands of companies that simply disappeared because they could no longer be competitive? Who created those conditions?

When you were breaking your ass working in a steel mill you probably had to think long and hard before making a purchase of a TV or other item. Things were a lot more expensive then compared to dirt cheap prices today. If things were produced here they probably would cost double or more, so it is not all bad.

This country always had higher labor costs yet could dominated the world with many of its products. It was done through innovation, and inspiration, and ingenuity, in market conditions that were freer than any place else. Rewards were great but so was job creation. Take those things away with the cold dead hand of government and pay the price just as the old Soviet Union did or our own Detroit.




OMG I am laughing my ass off here. I started reading this and somehow I was thinking Samhill wrote it because of the top line. I was thinking to myself we finally turned Sam holy *censored*. Now I realized my error and have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard. :lol:
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:41 pm

Franco, there is no such thing as dirt cheap prices if you don't have a good job & money. Everything is relative to income, what is cheap to one is unobtainable to another.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:06 pm

samhill wrote:Franco, there is no such thing as dirt cheap prices if you don't have a good job & money. Everything is relative to income, what is cheap to one is unobtainable to another.


Yes, you are right, but relative to income prices are much lower today than in the past, except for one very major thing which is more expensive to own and afford. That is housing. Here again government has to take a good part of the blame. Excessive real estate taxes to pay salaries and perks to government beyond anything in the private market, plus far more restrictions. Stimulating demand by low mortgage rates and easy acquisition raised prices also and damned near collapsed the economy, all by government interference in the market.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:36 pm

franco b wrote:
samhill wrote:Franco, there is no such thing as dirt cheap prices if you don't have a good job & money. Everything is relative to income, what is cheap to one is unobtainable to another.


Yes, you are right, but relative to income prices are much lower today than in the past, except for one very major thing which is more expensive to own and afford. That is housing. Here again government has to take a good part of the blame. Excessive real estate taxes to pay salaries and perks to government beyond anything in the private market, plus far more restrictions. Stimulating demand by low mortgage rates and easy acquisition raised prices also and damned near collapsed the economy, all by government interference in the market.


The ability to package and sell mortgages as an investment did far more than any of that to leading to the market collapse in 2008. Those banks never would have taken those risky mortgages on if they had to actually hold onto them for the life of the mortgage.

I do completely agree that easy access to loans is what massively inflated the market...you see the same phenonmenan with federally guaranteed student loans right now. Colleges can charge whatever they like because they know students will get the loans to pay for it and they know the students MUST pay it back given that you cannot ever get out of student loans...even through a bankruptcy, those loans stay.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:31 am

My understanding of how this can actually be so is becoming more clear. 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future, and sadly the establishment Republican Party agrees. The Drudge Report headline today tells of a prominent Republican stating that Obamacare is here to stay, and is subject only to minor "reform" going forward, and that immigration reform will be fully here by August.

This speaks of a brain dead and directionless 'establishment' Republican party that literally has no plan other than to toss up roadblocks that they eventually exhaust and then take down. No wonder the public sees the Democrats as having the better vision for the future. They actually have a vision, vs. the main stream Republican establishment having no 'independent' vision at all. It appears to me that given the choice between a misguided and evil direction and plan for the future (I.E. the Democrats) vs. no direction (I.E. the Republicans), the populace at large is willing to go with the party showing direction and vision, right or wrong.

If you disagree with this assessment of "main stream" Republicans as functionally brain dead and visionless, then please tell me what the actual vision and plan for our future is per the establishment wing of the Republican Party.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:48 am

franco b wrote:
samhill wrote:Franco, there is no such thing as dirt cheap prices if you don't have a good job & money. Everything is relative to income, what is cheap to one is unobtainable to another.


Yes, you are right, but relative to income prices are much lower today than in the past, except for one very major thing which is more expensive to own and afford. That is housing. Here again government has to take a good part of the blame. Excessive real estate taxes to pay salaries and perks to government beyond anything in the private market, plus far more restrictions. Stimulating demand by low mortgage rates and easy acquisition raised prices also and damned near collapsed the economy, all by government interference in the market.


You left out one thing that is insanely more expensive than it used to be...government. The one service we all MUST purchase whether we need it or not. Sam likes to complain about the "evil" businesses that actually do create jobs but never complains about his much beloved government which destroys jobs like an atom bomb on a Japanese city.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:49 am

Davian wrote:
The ability to package and sell mortgages as an investment did far more than any of that to leading to the market collapse in 2008. Those banks never would have taken those risky mortgages on if they had to actually hold onto them for the life of the mortgage.

I do completely agree that easy access to loans is what massively inflated the market...you see the same phenonmenan with federally guaranteed student loans right now. Colleges can charge whatever they like because they know students will get the loans to pay for it and they know the students MUST pay it back given that you cannot ever get out of student loans...even through a bankruptcy, those loans stay.


Government backed mortgages, government backed student loans....are we starting to see a pattern here?
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:19 pm

Jobs here, Jpete jobs here in the united States, what's so hard to understand jobs here. You should know that better than most as you went thru it.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:40 pm

samhill wrote:Jobs here, Jpete jobs here in the united States, what's so hard to understand jobs here. You should know that better than most as you went thru it.


And you are still relying on the people who sent the jobs overseas to bring jobs back here. NAFTA made it possible for my company to produce parts in Mexico and ship them back to the US with no taxes.

Do you regularly pay 5 or 10 times more for things than you have to?
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: tjnamtiw On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:55 pm

stovehospital wrote:47% is also about the number of folks getting free stuff from the government. People on the take love democrats


You hit the nail on the head! 'I want my free ObamaPhone! and all my other free sheeet'. 47% of the people are either SLAVES to the government and too stupid to know it or just plain to stupid to give a crap about anything outside of their 'bubble'.
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Re: 47% believe the Democrats have the best plan for our future

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:33 pm

Who's the stupid one if they are getting it all for free & to boot they aren't even contributing to giving the freebees to the main welfare recipients, while your complaining about them your supporting the one's screwing you more.
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