Clogged drain pipes

Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Mon May 19, 2014 9:58 am

I was wondering if anyone has a tried and true method for unclogging drain pipes shy of dismantling them. I have 3 women in this house who all use 10 different soap products and all have long hair. Liquid plumber works but I have to use 4 times the amount they recommend and I can only imagine how bad it is for my septic system. I have been on line and you never know if what you hear is true. I know you folks will be straight with me. Thanks, Ken
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon May 19, 2014 10:10 am

They make small and very flexible snakes for sink/bathtub drains. You should avoid putting anything into the septic other than poop and toilet paper. Bacteria forms to break down solids and chemicals will inhibit the growth of that bacteria. I know bleach is bad, not sure about liquid plumber but I would guess it's just as bad. Even excessive water is no good, I have a stump out back I keep that is perfectly weeded around the base. :D
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: Lu47Dan On: Mon May 19, 2014 10:16 am

Ken, which pipes are plugging up?
The riser pipes to the main soil pipe or is the plug in the main soil pipe?
I have a friend that is on a regiment of hot water flushing once a week through all his shower, lavatory, and tub drains. Five gallons of hot water down each drain to clear the riser and the main soil line of make up and scum build up.
His problem is his line is not installed correctly. It has too much pitch in it so the water leaves a residue behind. He has a gray water system installed to recover the water for use in flushing the toilets and watering his yard in the summer.
This regiment has stopped the lines from plugging up.
The black water (soil) system works flawlessly as it only carries the water and soil from the toilets.
Another thing to look at is a Bio cleaner to eat the soap scum out of the pipes. I had seen an add for one a few years back but I have not seen it for awhile.
Another option would be to install a clean out in the very end of the run to allow you to snake the soil pipe once the drains start to run slow.
Dan.
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Mon May 19, 2014 10:25 am

Lu47Dan wrote:Ken, which pipes are plugging up?
The riser pipes to the main soil pipe or is the plug in the main soil pipe?
I have a friend that is on a regiment of hot water flushing once a week through all his shower, lavatory, and tub drains. Five gallons of hot water down each drain to clear the riser and the main soil line of make up and scum build up.
His problem is his line is not installed correctly. It has too much pitch in it so the water leaves a residue behind. He has a gray water system installed to recover the water for use in flushing the toilets and watering his yard in the summer.
This regiment has stopped the lines from plugging up.
The black water (soil) system works flawlessly as it only carries the water and soil from the toilets.
Another thing to look at is a Bio cleaner to eat the soap scum out of the pipes. I had seen an add for one a few years back but I have not seen it for awhile.
Another option would be to install a clean out in the very end of the run to allow you to snake the soil pipe once the drains start to run slow.
Dan.

My bath sinks and two showers. I try to run hot water down them every so often as it is a build up of soap scum that traps the hair. It happens in the traps and I have had them apart and cleaned by hand the two sinks but it is just a hassle cleaning put underneath and crawling in the cabinet. I have heard of a few natural treatments that rely on hot water flushes so I am inclined to think it is mostly the hot water doing the work.
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Mon May 19, 2014 10:31 am

MIx vinegar & baking soda,you won't need lots of baking soda,try mixing it into the vinegar till good foaming takes place. This solution is how we clean corroded battery cables in our shop to cut down on chemical use.
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon May 19, 2014 10:46 am

Soap is only a small part of the problem. Long hair is the main culprit.

With a wife and four daughters I tried every product available on the market, only the most expensive one stopped the near weekly drain clogs 100%.

A divorce.

Paul
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Mon May 19, 2014 10:51 am

Sunny Boy wrote:Soap is only a small part of the problem. Long hair is the main culprit.

With a wife and four daughters I tried every product available on the market, only the most expensive one stopped the near weekly drain clogs 100%.

A divorce.

Paul

Thanks Paul, I am gonna keep looking! That is a bit drastic for my blood!!
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: NJJoe On: Mon May 19, 2014 11:00 am

The best thing is a hair trap for the drain. You know those round circular plastic disk things you can get at the store.
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon May 19, 2014 11:27 am

NWBuilder wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:Soap is only a small part of the problem. Long hair is the main culprit.

With a wife and four daughters I tried every product available on the market, only the most expensive one stopped the near weekly drain clogs 100%.

A divorce.

Paul

Thanks Paul, I am gonna keep looking! That is a bit drastic for my blood!!



I hear ya ! I don't recommend it for everyone, but it did work . :D

Paul
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: franco b On: Mon May 19, 2014 12:34 pm

Shop Vac sells a plastic tube along with an adapter to slip into a trap to clean.
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon May 19, 2014 12:45 pm

NJJoe wrote:The best thing is a hair trap for the drain. You know those round circular plastic disk things you can get at the store.



This is hands down best solution for showers.

For sinks you need the many barbed plastic flexible tape with oval finger hole for hair retrieval.
And 1-1/2"pipe works lots better than the 1-1/4".
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Mon May 26, 2014 8:24 am

I've had four sink traps plug with a black gel (not much hair) over several years. Each time I removed them to clean out and then reassemble them. Once in 14 years I had to replace each stopper and actuator assemblies as they had corroded to paper thin. I never used chemicals to clean the drain so I'm guessing it was just cheap components eaten away by the crud. One tub/shower p-trap plugged also but there's no panel (yet) to access it. The long barbed plastic hair retriever previously mentioned did the trick. No one would use the hair trap to stop the hair because ... well that'd be thread drift!

These past few weeks my sink drain clogged and would take a minute to drain down. I do flush it when I use it and do use the weekly flush bowl of hot water but it clogged none the less after three years. I'm not currently able to go into the base cabinet to disassemble and clean it. I had read somewhere that denture cleaning tablets worked and I just happen to have a box of tablets. After my morning routine, I filled the trap with hot water and dropped one into the trap and closed the plunger. One day didn't do it. I ended up using two tablets and closing the drain on the third day and it did the deed! I repeated the two tablet treatment on the fourth day for good measure. It's been working normally for this past week.
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: plumber On: Mon May 26, 2014 8:52 am

If a plumbing supply house will sell to you, Greenblaster is a wonderful drain chemical for slow drains full of hair. It also doubles as a septic treatment. It promotes the breakdown of solids and doesn't kill all the beneficial bacteria. Just have to make sure you follow all the directions on the container and wear proper PPE. For that mater any sodium hydroxide type drain chemical will work.
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon May 26, 2014 12:27 pm

I have not ever used chemicals, I fill the sink with plenty of hot water (and even leave it running)...then plug or block the bowl overflow opening with wet cloth or whatever and then with the drain stopper opened/removed, I plunger the liv'in heii out of it, while occasionally allowing some more hot water to get past the plunger so as to keep the churning action for longer period. A lot get agitated loose and the drain works good for a long time till eventually it needs it again.

Tub/shower is used as a shower 99.9% of the time...just removed the stopper mechanism and stored it away and added a simple plastic drain screen in it's place...catches all the hair. :)
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Re: Clogged drain pipes

PostBy: whistlenut On: Mon May 26, 2014 8:21 pm

Preventative medicine is cheaper and usually less dramatic. I support plumber's idea. I do it monthly and have no issues. Try to purchase products that are septic tank friendly, because the good biology won't like the harshest chemicals. ALSO...if you are one of those SOB's who calls the plumber AFTER the fact of you screwing around with chemical city, PLEASE advise, because those acids and lye compounds are not plumber friendly on the facial tissue or any skin covered surface. The hair traps are great for showers, but sinks and wash basins catch hell with all the hair chemicals women use.......nuff said??????? :idea:
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