Is there enough Ahthracite coal

Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: KC2LLW On: Wed May 28, 2014 3:53 pm

I saw this article: I am wondering should I go to coal from natural gas?
will there be enough and will the price stay sable?

Availability: Scarce. A tiny percent of all remaining coal resources are anthracite. Pennsylvania anthracite was mined heavily during the late 1800s and early 1900s, and remaining supplies became harder and harder to access because of their deep location. The largest quantity of anthracite ever produced in Pennsylvania was in the year 1917.

Location: Historically, anthracite was mined in a 480 square mile area in the northeastern region of Pennsylvania, primarily in Lackawanna, Luzerne, and Schuylkill counties. Smaller resources are found in Rhode Island and Virginia.

Thanks,
Steve
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: Pacowy On: Wed May 28, 2014 4:06 pm

AFAIK the mineable reserves of domestic anthracite are around 7 billion tons. At a consumption rate of 5 million tons/year, that would last around 1400 years. Obviously if we start exporting more the numbers could change, but I don't think we're running out just yet.

Mike
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Wed May 28, 2014 4:57 pm

If you were born today and lived to be 100 you would not see us run out anthracite and the price will be cheaper than anything else. You'll start saving as soon as you light the first fire. When they get the exporting in full swing watch the price of gas climb. It's a nice feeling to have a year or more of heat stored on your property all ready paid for and you can't do that with gas unless you own a well.
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed May 28, 2014 5:21 pm

In Ohio natural gas is easily less expensive than anthracite.

Reserves and economically recoverable reserves are two different things. For example, the Monterey Shale Oil play that was until only a scant few days ago going to be the nations largest source of oil, was just downgraded by a whopping 96% since although it is there, nearly all of it is not considered recoverable. I can imagine many who got slaughtered overnight in the stock market by this news.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-o ... story.html

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... cking-myth
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: KC2LLW On: Wed May 28, 2014 5:57 pm

Oh ok I guess I don't have to worry about running out of coal. I am 52 so I am way past the half way mark in life. I pay $1.30 per therm in nortern New Jersey
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed May 28, 2014 6:20 pm

If you are paying more than about $265/ton for anthracite I would stick with the natural gas if it was up to me. Where I live it is not up to me, since there is no natural gas on my street.

Sticking with natural gas is a slam dunk if you have a modern high efficiency (in the range of 94% efficient) natural gas heating appliance. At $1.30 per therm and 94% efficiency it is equal to coal at $250 per ton and 75% efficiency.

In Ohio right now NG is down to about $0.84 per therm. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_pri_rescom_dcu_SOH_m.htm
That's about as good as anthracite at $175/ton, but I just paid $255/ton.
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed May 28, 2014 8:22 pm

Larry, That link didn't refered to therms...it was in Mcf.
What did I miss?
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed May 28, 2014 8:57 pm

McGiever wrote:Larry, That link didn't refered to therms...it was in Mcf.
What did I miss?


Nigh on 10 to 1.

Officially one Mcf = 10.25 therms

So it should have been $8.41/10.25 = $0.8205 per therm (for Ohio)
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Fri May 30, 2014 8:00 am

New nickname for Larry, with all due respect and affection, NUMBERS :D
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: fifthg On: Fri May 30, 2014 5:04 pm

the only threat to anthracite,or any other coal supply,would be from Obama's lack of knowledge about it's real value, and the EPA and other regulators he has unleashed on we,the producers and users.It is as much about his figuring there are more votes in killing coal,through environmental hypochondria,than in subsidizing it.We want neither,really,just less government "help".
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:32 am

lsayre wrote:
McGiever wrote:Larry, That link didn't refered to therms...it was in Mcf.
What did I miss?


Nigh on 10 to 1.

Officially one Mcf = 10.25 therms

So it should have been $8.41/10.25 = $0.8205 per therm (for Ohio)



Is not that comparing apples to oranges?
Mcf (cubic feet) is a measurement of volume (only way the meter can read) and is fixed...while a Therm is a measurment of heat content and is a variable, depending on hydrocarbon makeup.
If I got this correct, the math gets a little messy??? ;)
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:39 am

KC2LLW wrote:Oh ok I guess I don't have to worry about running out of coal. I am 52 so I am way past the half way mark in life. I pay $1.30 per therm in nortern New Jersey


If anthracite doesn't make sense for central heating, you may still want to consider it for a supplemental heat source. There is a lot to be said for a fuel that can be kept on-site, that doesn't spoil, and can provide lots of heat in an emergency (or an unusually cold night).
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:45 am

McGiever wrote:Is not that comparing apples to oranges?
Mcf (cubic feet) is a measurement of volume (only way the meter can read) and is fixed...while a Therm is a measurment of heat content and is a variable, depending on hydrocarbon makeup.
If I got this correct, the math gets a little messy??? ;)


It all comes down to BTU averages. On average one cubic foot of NG has 1,025 BTU's.

1 Mcf = 1,000 cubic feet

1,000 cubic feet x 1,025 BTU's per cubic foot = 1,025,000 BTU's

1 therm = 100,000 BTU's

Therefore:

1,025,000 (one Mcf) / 100,000 (one Therm) = 10.25 (on average)

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=45&t=8
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:50 am

The average energy content of natural gas by state:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_cons_heat ... tucf_a.htm

West Virginia seems to have the best natural gas, and Alaska the worst. But Alaska's NG has only about 7.5% less BTU's per cubic foot than WV.
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Re: Is there enough Ahthracite coal

PostBy: tcalo On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:23 pm

Another thing to consider besides the cost of fuel is loss of electricity. Hand fired stoves free you from the restraints of the electric company. We rarely loose our electric, but having a hand fired stove gives use a sense of security. When hurricane Sandy passed through the temperature dipped and we lost our electric. Thankfully our stove was lit so we were warm and were able to cook with it. Just food for thought!
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