3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat May 31, 2014 7:37 am

Congress need not apply, as (per the LA Times) President Obama has at the ready his 3,000 page long "rule" to cut greenhouse gases from electrical power plants.

The 3,000-page rule is expected to spark lawsuits, claims of job losses and charges by critics that Obama has launched a new "war on coal."


http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/ ... tml#page=1
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat May 31, 2014 7:45 am

Off the top of my head Natural Gas has roughly 40% of the CO2 emissions of coal, and natural gas is the current replacement of choice for power plants being forced to flee from coal. Now 40% is still a lot, so after the war on coal has been won, guess where the next war on CO2 emissions will be fought.

Ultimately the democrats want only solar, wind, hydro, and geothermal left standing. They may tolerate nuclear for awhile, but after natural gas is crushed it will be next.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: KLook On: Sat May 31, 2014 8:48 am

This is a long process. You must indoctrinate upcoming generations that their parents were wrong headed or just lied to by profiteers or just plain callous or evil. The resources will still be there but people need to be convinced that the damage outweighs the benefits to people. Say, no air conditioning, or heating. This can be seen in its early stages today.

Kevin

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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat May 31, 2014 9:20 am

lsayre wrote:Off the top of my head Natural Gas has roughly 40% of the CO2 emissions of coal, and natural gas is the current replacement of choice for power plants being forced to flee from coal. Now 40% is still a lot,...


Now so fast Larry, their is some concerns that the gases released during extraction could wipe that out or even be worse.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat May 31, 2014 9:28 am

It's worse than I thought when I said 40%. Natural gas actually emits about 57% of the CO2 that bit coal (the fuel of choice for electric power plants) emits. That can't be tolerated for long.

Anthracite is the worst offender, I assume due to its high carbon content.

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=73&t=11
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat May 31, 2014 9:30 am

Richard S. wrote:Now so fast Larry, their is some concerns that the gases released during extraction could wipe that out or even be worse.


Richard, are you saying that natural gas extraction emits a bunch of CO2 that is not subsequently factored into the CO2 per MBTU equations. I would guess that coal extraction doesn't contribute to CO2 at all.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sat May 31, 2014 9:38 am

lsayre wrote:
Richard S. wrote:Now so fast Larry, their is some concerns that the gases released during extraction could wipe that out or even be worse.


Richard, are you saying that natural gas extraction emits a bunch of CO2 that is not subsequently factored into the CO2 per MBTU equations. I would guess that coal extraction doesn't contribute to CO2 at all.


I think more of the methane released into atmosphere during the construction phases of the natural gas well.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat May 31, 2014 10:12 am

anthony7812 wrote:I think more of the methane released into atmosphere during the construction phases of the natural gas well.


Ah yes! The case for methane having association with global warming is apparently much stronger than the case for CO2.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sat May 31, 2014 10:46 am

lsayre wrote:
anthony7812 wrote:I think more of the methane released into atmosphere during the construction phases of the natural gas well.


Ah yes! The case for methane having association with global warming is apparently much stronger than the case for CO2.


Haha I read an article about dinosaurs and global warming from methane farts lol. Its comical.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat May 31, 2014 11:23 am

I guess the NOX and SO don't count because it isn't coal. Lmao
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat May 31, 2014 11:38 am

lsayre wrote:Richard, are you saying that natural gas extraction emits a bunch of CO2 ,,,.


Methane.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat May 31, 2014 2:51 pm

Today's Presidential address. Hear it directly from the source. And need I mention that he's doing it "for the children"!

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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: oliver power On: Sat May 31, 2014 5:10 pm

Here's a "Brand New" power plant being built in south Korea. They call it a "green power" because it is supplemented by wind, solar, etc.. But the main source of fuel is still coal. It is an American company (Foster Wheeler) doing the engineering of the project. They claim the whole world is watching this new power plant. http://www.fwc.com/Projects/Samcheok-Green-Power.aspx At Foster Wheeler's home page, you can see other projects in the works. Look at the top of the page under projects.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat May 31, 2014 5:56 pm

This turd and chief is not going to stop till everyone is bankrupt. Somewhere I had an article that shows some of the other not so good things besides the obvious that is in methane and not in coal.
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Re: 3,000 page 'Executive Order' to curtail coal power plants

PostBy: tjnamtiw On: Sat May 31, 2014 11:00 pm

lsayre wrote:Today's Presidential address. Hear it directly from the source. And need I mention that he's doing it "for the children"!



These are the SAME children that are being indocrinated by left-wing propagandists (liberals) preaching from the Common Core Mein Kampf book. When they grow up, they will be shocked to find that there are no jobs, no fuel (we shipped all the coal to China, all the natural gas to Eastern Europe, the Congressmen killed solar and wind because it was unsightly and killed birds and turtles), and no food. But at least they will have ObamaCare, if they speak Spanish.
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