Snowden, Discuss...

Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat May 31, 2014 11:06 pm

In an unaired clip of NBC News’ interview with Edward Snowden, he explains that mass surveillance isn’t making us safer and is just taking our rights and privacy away.

“I take the threat of terrorism seriously, and I think we all do. I think it’s really disingenuous for the government to invoke and sort of scandalize our memories to sort of exploit national trauma that we all suffered together and worked so hard to come through to justify programs that have never been shown to keep us safe, but cost us liberties and freedoms that we don’t need to give up and that our Constitution says we should not give up.”

In the allegedly censored clip, Snowden also reveals that the U.S. had all of the intelligence regarding the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001 but we unable to connect the dots.

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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat May 31, 2014 11:33 pm

While there will be some good things to come about because of what he exposed he's still a traitor first and foremost that has put lives at risk and that can never be overlooked.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:30 am

Richard S. wrote: first and foremost that has put lives at risk


Name one.

The government can't.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:23 am

jpete wrote:
Richard S. wrote: first and foremost that has put lives at risk


Name one.

The government can't.


If you don't think this operation has had a significant impact on preventing terrorists attacks here and around the world you'd have to be dreaming. When you have the amount of data they had access to too it doesn't take much to find patterns and connect the dots. The question becomes is it worth it to allow the government to intrude upon your privacy to that extent. I don't think it is.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: DieselBob On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:30 am

Seeing how our gooberment has devolved to a 3rd world dictatorship I can't call him a traitor but I can't call him a patriot either. I believe that if the founding fathers had known of the advent of the telephone, cellphone, text message and email they would have clearly included them in the 4th amendment and would make much of the NSA spying on Americans unconstitutional thus he wouldn't have had to break his oath to a unconstitutional Gooberment. But the Constitution really hasn't been a hindrance to the gooberment expansion of power sense they put that magical “commerce clause“ and "homeland security" in effect anyway which seems to authorize everything anyway so what the heck.

According to the 4th amendment.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Kind of seems like the Gooberment has overlooked this little amendment which to the average non-politician, non-lawyer is pretty clear in it's intent.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:01 am

Richard S. wrote:If you don't think this operation has had a significant impact on preventing terrorists attacks here and around the world you'd have to be dreaming. When you have the amount of data they had access to too it doesn't take much to find patterns and connect the dots. The question becomes is it worth it to allow the government to intrude upon your privacy to that extent. I don't think it is.


Didn't stop 9/11, didn't stop the Boston bombings, didn't stop Benghazi. They like to tell you about the mythic attacks they've stopped but they arr always short of particulars.

I could tell you about all the supermodels I've banged but they live next door to the terrorists the government stopped....in fantasy land.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:23 am

I guess a lot depends on what or who you call American, it's an unfortunate fact that being on American soil doesn't now or ever has made anyone a Patriot there have always been traitors. I put him in my book right up there with Jane Fonda, once the damage is done it's done.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:59 am

samhill wrote:I guess a lot depends on what or who you call American, it's an unfortunate fact that being on American soil doesn't now or ever has made anyone a Patriot there have always been traitors. I put him in my book right up there with Jane Fonda, once the damage is done it's done.


I agree. Once the damage is done it's done. The Constitution has been severely damaged by the Patriot Act, NDAA, Homeland Security, TSA, EPA, IRS, Federal Reserve, etc... My feeling is that the Founders would hail Snowden as a Patriot and the present state of the government as terrorism.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:03 am

My feeling is that the Founders would hail Snowden as a Patriot and the present state of the government as terrorism.



Ditto.....

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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:08 am

KLook wrote:
My feeling is that the Founders would hail Snowden as a Patriot and the present state of the government as terrorism.



Ditto.....

Kevin




Ditto Ditto!!
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:11 am

samhill wrote:I guess a lot depends on what or who you call American, it's an unfortunate fact that being on American soil doesn't now or ever has made anyone a Patriot there have always been traitors. I put him in my book right up there with Jane Fonda, once the damage is done it's done.


Who did he damage and how? The global surveillance network still exists and is rapidly expanding.

Every nation spies on every other nation and they all know it.

The only thing that's changed is that a few ignorant Americans are now dimly aware that the apparatus exists. And most of them don't care.

So sorry to shake you from your slumber Sam.

You're right though, the definition of patriot is malleable. According to the authority at the time, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin were traitors and terrorists.

Just like the authority of today claims Snowden is.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:16 am

Some of the greatest damage done to the Constitution came when the SCOTUS twisted out their rendering of the "Commerce Clause" and the "General Welfare".

But the most damage came when the people were given the vote for Senators and a dominant role in the vote for the President. This totally destroyed the balance of powers that the Founders gave to us. That, and the entrenched two party system.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:27 am

lsayre wrote:Some of the greatest damage done to the Constitution came when the SCOTUS twisted out their rendering of the "Commerce Clause" and the "General Welfare".

But the most damage came when the people were given the vote for Senators and a dominant role in the vote for the President. This totally destroyed the balance of powers that the Founders gave to us. That, and the entrenched two party system.


Patriot Act and the enlargement of DHS will be what destroys this nation. This I can blame on Bush and Clinton. But Obama does not get a pass either.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:30 am

Everyone's entitled to express their opinion on Snowden (what a great country we live in) but doesn't it strike anyone odd that with all the countries in the world that he could have gone with immunity he choose two Communist countries to run to & now both are shaking their sabers after decades of relative peace? Then again if you tend to side with communism it wouldn't seem odd at all.
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Re: Snowden, Discuss...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:36 am

samhill wrote:Everyone's entitled to express their opinion on Snowden (what a great country we live in) but doesn't it strike anyone odd that with all the countries in the world that he could have gone with immunity he choose two Communist countries to run to & now both are shaking their sabers after decades of relative peace? Then again if you tend to side with communism it wouldn't seem odd at all.


He had to go somewhere where he was not subject to extradition by international law in the event that the USA demanded his return. That severely limited his choices.
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