Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:55 pm

... did wrong is permitted and considered the norm today? Illegal wiretapping is now legal. Illegal searches are now legal. Etc...

In Nixon's day he was impeached. Today President Obama makes Nixon's piddling exploits look like child's play, and he is a great President for it.
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: GA cracker On: Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:17 pm

They both say the same thing, "I am not a crook". I remember Tricky Dick and would rather forget Blue Gum.
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:19 pm

Supposedly we will be honoring Jane Fonda as well.
This was sent to my email. Wanted to share it here.

FW: Fwd: Barbara Walters on Jane Fonda AMEN 1000
________________________________________







> PLEASE TAKE THE TIME AND READ THIS .
> PASS THIS ON TO EVERYBODY YOU KNOW.

> Barbara Walters on Jane Fonda:

> Jane Fonda was on 3 times this week talking about her new book. . . and
how good she feels in her 70s. . . She still does not know what she did
wrong. . ..

> Her book just may not make the bestseller list if more people knew.

> Barbara Walters said: Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our
freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can
lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the
past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her honored"
as a "Woman of the Century."

> (I remember this well.)

> For those who served and/or died. . .

> NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR.

> SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!!

> And now President Obama wants to honor her!!!

> In Memory of Lt. C. Thomsen Wieland, who spent 100 days at the Hanoi
Hilton [infamous North Vietnam prison] --
> IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. FORWARD THIS SO THAT
EVERYONE WILL KNOW !

> A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED. KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA.

> This is for all the kids born in the 70s and after who do not remember,
and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.

> Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."

> Barbara Walters writes: Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea
of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the
Vietnam War.
> The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival
School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison, the "Hanoi Hilton."

> Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in
clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "peace
activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms.
Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he
fell forward onto the camp commandant 's feet, which sent that officer
berserk.

> In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which
permanently ended his flying career) from the commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.

> From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6
years in the "Hanoi Hilton". . . the first three of which his family only
knew he was "missing in action." His wife lived on faith that he was still
alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in
preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

> They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of
paper, with his Social Security number on it, in the palm of his hand. When
paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry
you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from
your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed
her their sliver of paper.

> She took them all without missing a beat. . . At the end of the line and
once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she
turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of
paper...

> Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost
number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her
actions that day.

> I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was
captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and
held prisoner for over 5 years.

> I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in
Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese
captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in
a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle
near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My
normal weight is 170 lbs.)

> We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

> When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political
officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to
tell her about the real treatment we POWs received. . . and how different
it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted
by her as "humane and lenient."

> Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my
arms outstretched with a large steel weight strapped on my hands, and
beaten with a bamboo cane.

> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released.
I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did
answer me.

> These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be
honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget. . . "100
Years of Great Women" should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.

> There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi
Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the
time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually
end up on her computer, and she needs to know that we will never forget.

> RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
> 716 Maintenance Squadron,
> Chief of Maintenance
> DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343
>
> PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. FOR ENOUGH
PEOPLE TO SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE .
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:29 pm

I was akid during this time but my father HATED that woman and I didn't know why until I was much older. She should be shot not celebrated!!!
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:31 pm

It was illegal when Nixon did it but then Bush #2 made it legal. Nixon should have made it legal first. :doh:
Same goes for waterboarding, if you say it isn't torture then it isn't. Makes political accountability easy.
I still have my original issue Hanoi Jane urinal sticker. 8-)
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:07 pm

Seems that Only in Our Country could Hanoi Jane come out smelling like a Rose. Her Actions,and those of the Upstanding Fine Young Citizens that spit on returning Vets and called them "Baby Killers" really reeked. Those Fine Citizens have been in positions of Influence since those times,and we are reaping the consequences of their Mind Processes. Eat Dirt,Jane. And wrong is still inevitably wrong. It really doesn't matter to me what Party Label You've got pasted on You..So Eat It,Tricky Dick,AND Wrongway Barry ! :bang:
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:49 pm

She should receive the same treatment that the soldiers over there received. Its not too late. :mad:
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:24 am

She took the power of her celebrity and used it to empower Charlie with it. She sold out her countrymen and that will never be dismissed. I can't forgive. Mike
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:13 pm

Hanoi Jane.......wish this was in Flame Suit Central, I'd REALLY tell how I feel. I was in uniform at the very time she was backstabbing America with her celebrity....while captured and tortured men were just asking for a chance. How Ted Turner put up with that bitch all those years, I cannot imagine. Hero? I guess NOT. Short rope, tall limb, problem solved.
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: hophead On: Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:35 pm

Axis Sally, Tokyo Rose, Hanoi Jane. She deserved at the very least what the other two got. :mad:
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:45 pm

Sums up my opinion of Jane Fonda.
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:04 pm

OK, I know I will be flamed for this, but:

With all respect to Americans who fought and suffered there, the Vietnam War has long been seen as a colossal immoral misadventure, justified by lies and continued solely for political purposes long after most people recognized it as a horrible mistake. So why is everybody mad at Jane for recognizing it sooner than most?

As to the crook Nixon, he and his staff were PERSONALLY involved in illegal activities to punish SPECIFIC individuals who spoke out against him. That's different from the general involvement of Presidents Bush and Obama in the "target every citizen" actions of the NSA. So it is not at all accurate to say the three presidents were/are acting in the same way.
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:01 pm

rberq wrote:OK, I know I will be flamed for this, but:

With all respect to Americans who fought and suffered there, the Vietnam War has long been seen as a colossal immoral misadventure, justified by lies and continued solely for political purposes long after most people recognized it as a horrible mistake. So why is everybody mad at Jane for recognizing it sooner than most?

As to the crook Nixon, he and his staff were PERSONALLY involved in illegal activities to punish SPECIFIC individuals who spoke out against him. That's different from the general involvement of Presidents Bush and Obama in the "target every citizen" actions of the NSA. So it is not at all accurate to say the three presidents were/are acting in the same way.




No flame but the soldiers died and suffered because of the traitor bitch. The soldiers were only doing what they were trained to do and believed was correct. If she had the politicians that led the deceptive war be beaten and slaughtered that would be possibly better but still Americans should not be getting Americans killed. Jane Fonda is scum and should be spit on not honored.

Nixon was wrong in what he did and was punished for it and should have been jailed along with Bush an Obama and his cronies. The difference is Bush got away with it and Obama is getting away with worse.
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:55 pm

Naw,No Flame,Berqy...It's your opinion. The Mayor's probably going to pin a Medal on you for attempting to get his Off-Season Post Count up with it,though. I'm hoping the rest of these guys don't take the Bait and go for you. Do remember,regardless of your opinion on what that War(Not a Stinking Police Action)was all about,those were Americans that a supposed American Betrayed in the Enemy Camp. She cost them everything. There was a Draft on,Compulsory Service at that time. It was go to Canada,or go there. What Fonda did was beyond Immoral,beyond being a Traitor. She took a Dump on all of them...Much like those Americans that Aid and Assist and even fight for the Taliban today. Hanoi Jane's going down,it just is a matter of time.
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Re: Does it seem a bit odd that everything bad guy Nixon ...

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:45 am

Hambden Bob wrote:those were Americans that a supposed American Betrayed in the Enemy Camp.

Sure – IF you believe the official government line of the time, and the stories invented and embellished over the years. The clever trick of our government and military -- the Big Lie -- was to portray Fonda as attacking our soldiers rather than attacking the war itself. It amazes me that folks here who don’t believe much of anything they hear from The Establishment, are willing to swallow this tripe. Try an unbiased source:

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

Jane saw, before the rest of us, the horrendous stupidity and immorality of our country’s behavior, and she pointed it out. For that, of course she is vilified. Always shoot the messenger.
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