IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:00 pm

The progressives are never done. :mad:


I believe he means the transformation of our liberty. I stand firmly in agreement with him on that. They have calculated the amount of destruction it will cause to put down a rebellion and it is no secret they are putting assets in place to assist. They have plenty of ammo, and every wannabe cop is getting M-16's and armored vehicles. Pop some popcorn indeed....it is going to be interesting.

Kevin

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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:44 pm

There appears to be 6 more people where emails were lost including one key figure. At this point in time I think it's safe to assume a whole lot of people of very important people are going to jail if this ever see the full light.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... e-24175196

On Tuesday, two key lawmakers said the IRS has also lost emails from additional officials whose computers crashed. Among them was Nikole Flax, who was chief of staff to Lerner's boss, then-deputy commissioner Steven Miller.
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:10 pm

Richard S. wrote:There appears to be 6 more people where emails were lost including one key figure. At this point in time I think it's safe to assume a whole lot of people of very important people are going to jail if this ever see the full light.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... e-24175196

On Tuesday, two key lawmakers said the IRS has also lost emails from additional officials whose computers crashed. Among them was Nikole Flax, who was chief of staff to Lerner's boss, then-deputy commissioner Steven Miller.



It will never see the light. The Teflon veil will cover them as well.
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:54 pm

Flyer5 wrote:

It will never see the light. The Teflon veil will cover them as well.


Those emails will exist to whoever they were sent too and the more people involved with any cover up makes it that much harder to keep a lid on it. To erase all this activity would take a significant effort involving a lot of people and you only need one single mistake to uncover it.
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:20 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:

It will never see the light. The Teflon veil will cover them as well.


Those emails will exist to whoever they were sent too and the more people involved with any cover up makes it that much harder to keep a lid on it. To erase all this activity would take a significant effort involving a lot of people and you only need one single mistake to uncover it.





They ( congress ) can see all the proof they need. They ( congress ) will do nothing about it yet again. They ( congress ) may make a scene and put on the dog and pony show for the masses to review at election time. They ( congress ) will do nothing at all as far as accountability. The party responsible ( probably will be a female again thrown under the bus) will resign and get another gravy paycheck somewhere else. Has anyone else noticed this pattern or am I paranoid?
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:58 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
They ( congress ) can see all the proof they need. They ( congress ) will do nothing about it yet again. They ( congress ) may make a scene and put on the dog and pony show for the masses to review at election time. They ( congress ) will do nothing at all as far as accountability. The party responsible ( probably will be a female again thrown under the bus) will resign and get another gravy paycheck somewhere else. Has anyone else noticed this pattern or am I paranoid?


Lets hope that Cantor getting his butt handed to him is a wake up call to the other Repubs and they'll start pushing on this, . . or be looking for new jobs after the next election. :mad:

Paul
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:02 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:

It will never see the light. The Teflon veil will cover them as well.


Those emails will exist to whoever they were sent too and the more people involved with any cover up makes it that much harder to keep a lid on it. To erase all this activity would take a significant effort involving a lot of people and you only need one single mistake to uncover it.


You're assuming anyone WANTS to uncover it.
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: mr1precision On: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:27 pm

So much for transparency!
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:34 pm

mr1precision wrote:So much for transparency!


its super transparent, so much so that it has entered the realm of invisibility.
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:06 pm

Magnetically degaussed hard drives are very transparent. Nothing but empty space. What ever happened to mega-redundant RAID Servers or Cloud backup. Does anyone imagine that the IRS did not use anything above rudimentary technology?
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:03 pm

Well Larry this is the claim, the IRS had a quota limit on the exchange server and their policy was the user was to move the older emails to their personal computer and delete them off the server. That however may not actually happen because as I understand it by default the email software they are using does a soft delete. It's no longer viewable to the user but still exists.

Even if the only copies existed on Lerner's PC you simply do not lose that amount of data unless there is physical damage to the disk or it is purposely wiped.
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:37 am

Richard S. wrote:Well Larry this is the claim, the IRS had a quota limit on the exchange server and their policy was the user was to move the older emails to their personal computer and delete them off the server. That however may not actually happen because as I understand it by default the email software they are using does a soft delete. It's no longer viewable to the user but still exists.

Even if the only copies existed on Lerner's PC you simply do not lose that amount of data unless there is physical damage to the disk or it is purposely wiped.



Its also very convenient. :mad:
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:18 am

Richard S. wrote:Even if the only copies existed on Lerner's PC you simply do not lose that amount of data unless there is physical damage to the disk or it is purposely wiped.


Which is exactly what they are claiming. They "recycled" them, but only the ones that covered 2009-2011...you know, the ones that mattered.
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:41 am

Ed.A wrote:
Which is exactly what they are claiming. They "recycled" them, but only the ones that covered 2009-2011...you know, the ones that mattered.


Ed as I understand it this is the policy that the IRS had in place that they are claiming. Each employee has a quota in place of something like 150MB which is actually quite a bit for email if there isn't any attachments. Those are stored on the server, this server is going to have disks in RAID array which means it has multiple disks. If one disk fails you pop it out and put another in it's place and it can be rebuilt with data from the other disks. It has redundancy built in case of disk failures. The primary disks are in effect your primary backup because disk failure is the number one reason you would lose data. Had there been no disk quota we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The tapes they are talking about used to backup this server that are being recycled are really secondary backups but play a vital role in data integrity. These are probably full backups and they might make one every day or perhaps incremental backups in real time. Supposing they make full backups daily, if they are recycling them every 180 days they have 180 copies of the same data with each subsequent backup having the most recent emails. This may sound excessive at first but it is important because if the data on the server becomes corrupted you have snapshots in time of the state of the data for up to six months into the past. If you only have one backup and recycle it daily and the data on the server gets corrupted your single backup is corrupted as well if you don't catch it. Recycling some these would make sense however recycling all of them does not.

For example I make a daily backup of this forum, I have snapshot of the state of the database for each of the last 7 days and it rolls over deleting the oldest(this would be like recycling the tape). Every Saturday that backup goes into my weekly backup so I also have snapshot of the data for each of the last 4 weeks deleting the oldest one. Every first of the month it goes into my monthly backup so I have backup for each of the last 12 months deleting the oldest one. I also have a yearly backup that never gets deleted. This way you have snapshots but you don't have an excessive amount of redundant data. This is not perfect and I have plans to improve it with an additional incremental backup that will be taken every hour. Had the IRS used a similar policy we would not be having this discussion.

Getting back to the quota this is where the breakdown is, the IRS is saying it was their policy that once the user hit their quota limit they were supposed to move those emails onto their desktop PC's which is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard because now all these safeguards against data loss are no longer in play. Besides that since it's the law these emails be retained it has to be management nightmare, if this is in fact the IRS's policy it's a clear example of how inefficient our government could be. Lois Lerner or any other IRS employees shouldn't be spending their time managing their email account. One other thing on this disk quota, as I understand it with the software they were using by default this is a soft limit. When the user deletes an email it's not actually deleted but gets marked for deletion similar to having a recycle bin. Only a server admin would actually be able to delete the message or change how this default works.

As far as this drive goes they are claiming bad sectors which happens but the scenario they have outlined is impossible. Had they said some of the data was lost that is plausible but not all of it. The only way you lose that amount of data off a drive is catastrophic physical damage or someone purposely corrupted it before the technicians got to it. As far as it being recycled that is going to be normal protocol for a bad drive once it's no longer of use, I don't know what their policy is but usually they first going to wipe the drive either using software or a magnetic degausser which itself is going to render any data on the drive irretrievable. Then they are shredded just for the hell of it....
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Re: IRS claims to have lost Lois Lerner Emails

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:59 am

Quinnipiac poll has 4:1 ratio calling for a special prosecutor.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-even ... aseID=1899
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