Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:43 am

ddahlgren wrote:Wow -4 now and a low today of -8 high is supposed to be 12. Running 550 w/blower and house 72 bedroom 66 but that is fine too. Later today when it dips to -8 will no doubt crank it harder. Forecast for 50's Tuesday go figure. The 404 sure is going though a bunch of coal for a 550 stove top 20 lbs. in 6 -7 hours.

This summer I need to dream up some rotating grates for this thing. The hands and knees clearing from below is getting very old even though only my second year with it. I think my biggest problem is a lot of bridging of the ash. When raking from below the poker can go un a couple of inches and no ash or coal once initial ash is cleared. I end up with a couple rounds of add coal shake grates rake grates and poke down from the top that seems to break up the bridging.


Make a masonry platform for the stove to raise it up.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: blrman07 On: Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:44 am

-4 outside vrs a prediction of -8 with -25 windchill. I feel cheated again. I was looking forward to bundling up and going out to shovel the van out before church. A hot cup of coffee when I come back in sitting in front of the coal stove.......Not to be.

It's only -4 with a -15 windchill.

Cheated again :mad:
blrman07
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant Casting 2310
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Wood in the VC and anything that will fit in the Bucket a Day. It's not fussy.

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:23 am

We had a wind chill this morning of -25 and someone silly enough to add small craft warning..ya think -8 and blowing 20 to 30 who with one ounce of brain matter would even think of going out with a small boat???

Any ideas on the grates would be greatly appreciated. And yes can raise it up at least the height of 1 cement block though stack length is painfully short now and draft on a warm day is hard to find. I would think making it shorter is not going to help much. Still a hands and knees job no matter what.
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:43 am

Lit it off after a warm spell and temps all over the place. Bitter cold at night warm during the day. I did notice that it seems to burn more in the front of the pot closest to the door and a bit more on the left side than right. Any ideas as to why? I have been banking it up very high and running very low for me 200F on stove top during the day and up to 550 at night when in the 20's if that makes a difference.
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:58 am

Always a lil leakage by front door no matter what--is your shaker on the left side?
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:32 am

freetown fred wrote:Always a lil leakage by front door no matter what--is your shaker on the left side?

Good call on the shaker exactly where it is. Ash pan door latch there as well.
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:36 am

DD, I know on the HITZER there's always a lil air getting in where the shaker nub comes out I've put a washer there & cut down leak considerably. Others have used some sort of asbestos/ fire proof spacer.
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:20 pm

freetown fred wrote:DD, I know on the HITZER there's always a lil air getting in where the shaker nub comes out I've put a washer there & cut down leak considerably. Others have used some sort of asbestos/ fire proof spacer.


we typically use high temp grease at the stop shaft each season (good practice)... the shaft is well below the point of extreme heat so the grease holds up well here (smoooosh it on good!)

also... if the ash pan get full beyond its hight (this can effect where draft is going towards) ... example... build up on right side and path of least resistance is now on left side (left side then becomes hotter)
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:21 pm

freetown fred wrote:DD, I know on the HITZER there's always a lil air getting in where the shaker nub comes out I've put a washer there & cut down leak considerably. Others have used some sort of asbestos/ fire proof spacer.


I will do it the easy way and just bank it an inch or so higher LOL
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:18 pm

Holy crap, is that you Doug?????????????????? ;)
dcrane wrote:
freetown fred wrote:DD, I know on the HITZER there's always a lil air getting in where the shaker nub comes out I've put a washer there & cut down leak considerably. Others have used some sort of asbestos/ fire proof spacer.


we typically use high temp grease at the stop shaft each season (good practice)... the shaft is well below the point of extreme heat so the grease holds up well here (smoooosh it on good!)

also... if the ash pan get full beyond its hight (this can effect where draft is going towards) ... example... build up on right side and path of least resistance is now on left side (left side then becomes hotter)
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:35 pm

The ash pan is endlessly too full LOL I am lazy.
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:42 pm

Wednesday i sent my farmer friend to Gale Mining for more coal. I have now bought nearly 30 ton of rice from Gale,this time they filled 2 super sacks with nut & then finished the rest of the truck with rice for my EFM boiler. Tonite my neighbor came over with his big John Deere backhoe & unloaded the 2 super sacks. I have never burnt nut from Gale b4,i am anxious to try it,but not sure when i will lite my 404. I have been thinking about this all summer as to how i can fit stove tending into my schedule,especially in the am when i seem to always run short on time to get things done b4 8 am when i open my shop. When my wife was still living,she could watch the shop for me to do the stove if needed during business hrs. When outside temps drop into the 30's i will certainly need the 404 firing to keep the concrete slabbed living room comfortable. The 2 super sacks total weight @ 4800# + about 1,000# of coal in buckets from last season yet. I will have more than enough to get thru even a brutal winter as it is unlikely i will run this stove quite as hard as i did when my wife was alive & often used this stove for cooking & other food preparation .
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:26 am

Seems like you would melt the 404 running 10 tons through it in one season unless it is sitting in a screened porch.
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:18 am

ddahlgren wrote:Seems like you would melt the 404 running 10 tons through it in one season unless it is sitting in a screened porch.

I just reread my latest post & added up the weight posted

2 super sacks totaling 4800# + 1,000# of left over coal in buckets , should equal 5800# or just shy of 3 tons.
Not sure how you came up with 10 ton.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Crane 404 - Our first coal burner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:08 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:
ddahlgren wrote:Seems like you would melt the 404 running 10 tons through it in one season unless it is sitting in a screened porch.

I just reread my latest post & added up the weight posted

2 super sacks totaling 4800# + 1,000# of left over coal in buckets , should equal 5800# or just shy of 3 tons.
Not sure how you came up with 10 ton.


I had read it that each super sack was 4800 each. So I saw 4800 X 2 + 1000 = 10600. Never had one dropped off or even offered for that matter.
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404