Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: kstills On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:32 pm

samhill wrote:They just put close to a billion into that embassy, it isn't your run of the mill compound, it & we are there because of the oil, oil runs the world & they want to keep it that way.


Hmm...not sure anyone can argue with that. Is there any other way to run the world at the moment?


Pretty good, start two wars, sink billions into rebuilding, waste countless lives of Americans, appoint a cowardly, greedy chicken hawk in your own image that kicks you out so he gets more, he does the same thing as before except maybe worse & then you blame the new guy in office for all the mistakes.


I assume you mean Maliki in this paragraph.

Perhaps you should attempt to go head to head with someone like Saddam and report back to us how 'cowardly' you are in doing so. Maliki is not exactly Thomas Jefferson, but if you read his bio he's certainly no coward.

As for wasting 'countless' American lives, well, they will be wasted if the situation in Iraq completely destabilizes. And who would have allowed that to happen, in order to fulfill a pledge to 'end the war in Iraq'?

What a bunch of hypocrites, the contractors there are there for the $$$ & that's the bottom line, the best way to deal with that whole region was to not be there in the first place or to get out now that we are, when the dust settles & the blood has soaked in they will have figured it out for themselves.


Understanding why the ME is important is sort of a prerequisite for understanding why we are there.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:43 pm

So Ks., what should we do, go back in with thousands of boots on the ground once again, waste more lives & repeat in another decade? The whole thing was one big mistake from the very beginning, all it did was make the US deeper in debt while making a few very wealthy, can you debunk any of that?
The only reason we have stayed with the present energy supplies & never really explored any others is to make the certain few rich. We should be leading the world in new energy solutions but instead we follow. What ever happened to the old American way?
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: kstills On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:56 pm

samhill wrote:So Ks., what should we do, go back in with thousands of boots on the ground once again, waste more lives & repeat in another decade?


If that is what it takes to stabilize the country, then that is the debt we owe the Iraqis and the soldiers who died and were injured in that war. I doubt it will take the amount of manpower we had in country at the height of the war, but as a wise man said, elections have consequences, and when you elect someone willing to throw away the efforts of 4k troops who died to free that country and not assure the peace, this is the price you have to be prepared to pay.

The whole thing was one big mistake from the very beginning, all it did was make the US deeper in debt while making a few very wealthy, can you debunk any of that?


Perhaps it was a mistake from the beginning, but it was handed off to the current administration with the ultimate goal of a stable and democratic Iraq a real possiblity.

As for making a few wealthy, that always happens in war. And the debt from the conflict is nothing compared to the debt that the current administration has pushed onto the backs of taxpayers through it's efforts to socially engineer the country and reduce personal responsibility.


The only reason we have stayed with the present energy supplies & never really explored any others is to make the certain few rich.


This is absurd. The reason we've stayed with the FF regime for energy is energy density for transportation and 24/7 baseload capability for electricity generation. Any attempt to deflect from those two crucial advantages is disengenuous at best, and an outright lie at worst.

We should be leading the world in new energy solutions but instead we follow. What ever happened to the old American way?


Such as?

We have the capability to utilize advanced nuclear technology. The current administration favors wind and solar over that energy source.

We are working alone and in concert with the world on Fusion energy.

We have solar technology and wind technology, neither of which is as economical as FF.

The 'American way' wasn't meant to use the crappiest technology and pay extra to do so, at least not where I come from.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:13 pm

samhill wrote:Obama hasn't done anything illegally that Congress or myself know about. Just because you & the talking heads disagree with things doesn't make them illegal. Just like your red herring reply SB, you can't handle facts. Either put up some facts or quit arguing about something that may or may not be, simple as that. Heck if you know your right & have stones why not you take him to court?
IMF, I got a field manual from the 1800s but it doesn't mention anything about Iraq or nukes for that matter.



I just typed this . illegal things president obama has done

and got About 46,200,000 results like this


http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/tim-br ... orruption/
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:29 pm

samhill wrote:Obama hasn't done anything illegally that Congress or myself know about. Just because you & the talking heads disagree with things doesn't make them illegal. Just like your red herring reply SB, you can't handle facts. Either put up some facts or quit arguing about something that may or may not be, simple as that. Heck if you know your right & have stones why not you take him to court?
IMF, I got a field manual from the 1800s but it doesn't mention anything about Iraq or nukes for that matter.



Sam,
I can handle facts, just can't tolerate lib fantasy. I know Bush screwed up on quite a few things. Do you have the stones to admit your hero has screwed up on anything ?

Well here's some facts for you.

Just a quick listing of some of the illegal activity of your hero, or the people directly under him that HE appointed. You know, those that as President he is completely responsible for. And least you forget, or try to say what others did is not his fault, remember, Nixon didn't do the actual break in, but he resigned because he was in charge and the Dems were going to impeach him for it.

I'm pretty sure you'll just dismiss it all, but here's just some of what's available. Not believing it, well that's on you.

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Setting up and carrying out the Fast and Furious program that put a couple thousand guns in the hands of drug cartel members that have killed hundreds of Mexicans, plus two US Boarder Agents. Now, some of those guns are turning up in gang related crimes in this country.

And, just so you don't think I'm just cherry picking from only right-wing sources. This is from MSNBC (you know, the guys who get a tingle down their leg about obummer) about how Holder is blocking turning over documents in the fast and furious probe. But, obummer insisted he and Holder knew nothing about it, so why is Holder not turning over records (thus putting himself in contempt of Congress), if he's innocent ?

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/operation-fa ... l-your-que

This from CNN - another one of your hero's biggest news organization supporters - is just one of many on the subject of obummer breaking HIS OWN LAW about giving Congress 30 days notice before prisoner releases.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVwmY ... zryidpBp8-

This from when a Judge overturned his recess appointments being unconstitutional because,... well, Congress wasn't in recess.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ointments/


11 state Attorney Generals say your hero is breaking the law by making changes in his own obummercare program without Congressional approval.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ealth-car/

And there's more, but I'm not going to spend all day posting because if this doesn't convince you, you won't believe no matter how much I post.

So, my question to you is, how much has to go wrong before you start to believe ? What laws have to be broken? Or, is it that you'll never believe your hero can do anything wrong, so it's all someone else's fault ?

And here's the acid test Sam. Change all the players in each of these listings to Republicans and tell me you wouldn't be screaming to the rafters about it.

Paul
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:36 pm

samhill wrote:So Ks., what should we do, go back in with thousands of boots on the ground once again, waste more lives & repeat in another decade? The whole thing was one big mistake from the very beginning, all it did was make the US deeper in debt while making a few very wealthy, can you debunk any of that?
The only reason we have stayed with the present energy supplies & never really explored any others is to make the certain few rich. We should be leading the world in new energy solutions but instead we follow. What ever happened to the old American way?


You mean like obummer making Solandra executives rich right before they filed for bankruptcy ?

So far, all this administration has been able to make "greener" is how many hundreds of millions of tax dollars they've wasted.

Paul
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:10 pm

Promises that you all seem to feel are laws don't make them such.
No lobbyists were an Edwards idea which I would agree with.
We have been kept on FF & FF only for decades.
Instead of answering every stupid thing on the lists why not just show the actual law.
I don't agree with everything he does or hasn't done but with any directed effort at all it's easy to find reasoning many things once all the crap is cleared, as I said if he broke a law then charge him, simple as that.
& to stay on topic!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/1 ... 93780.html
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:51 pm

Promises ? Hundreds of dead Mexicans and Boarder agents are merely "promises" and not clear evidence of murder, or at least a man slaughter charge ????

11 state attorney Generals are just saying obummer reneged on promises ????


His own supporters calling him out for BREAKING his own law of giving Congress 30 days notice is just a promise ???

Hell man, IT'S A LAW YOUR HERO PASSED AND then BROKE. What part of law breaking don't you get ????
Are you now going to tell us he had his fingers crossed when he signed it so it doesn't count as a REAL law ?

People have died, he's broken his own laws, and all you can say is they were just promises ???

Wow Sam, I never for a minute thought that even you could so trivialize what obummer has been doing. I stand corrected.

There's no debating with you when you discount any and all evidence and are so grudging to concede only the very least of points, no matter what preponderance of evidence is presented to you.

I congratulate you, you are a true, 100% liberal.

Have a nice life. I'm done.

Paul
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:02 pm

Before you go did you ever bother to read that law including the signing agreement?
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:27 pm

Holy *censored* the train really come off the rails on this one :roll:

I really is sad that Iraq is falling back into the hands of the extremists. I have been to the funerals of my classmates who have died overseas. It is very saddening that there lives were lost for little to know real reason.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:02 pm

samhill wrote: What ever happened to the old American way?


That IS the old American way. Pick up a history book.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:47 pm

carlherrnstein wrote:Holy *censored* the train really come off the rails on this one :roll:

I really is sad that Iraq is falling back into the hands of the extremists. I have been to the funerals of my classmates who have died overseas. It is very saddening that there lives were lost for little to know real reason.



Yes. This is why I am sickened. Too many lives lost or deformed to have it go away this quickly.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:21 am

So Flyer, in honor of those Heroes we should kill & deform more lives? I don't think you really mean that & I don't know too many if any Vets that would prefer to be at war & oppose peace.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:59 am

Good morning Sam, our common sense is failing us again I see. Again you address the wrong issue. All wars are a function of time and usually politics. The point is that if they won the war (which they did) and got to the point where a small stability force was able to ensure life and oil flowed out of there (yes, it's all about oil, I don't care about who bombs who that is their problem just as Boston is ours) then all the sacrifice was well worth it. To have a liberal idiot screw up the peace just for a few political points must be heartbreaking. What will happen now is the country will fall apart and ISIS will retake Baghdad and push on to the South for the oil fields. Iran/Iraq will explode, oil will go to $150+ and if we are not careful the whole of the ME will explode again.

You can argue it all started with the bad break up of Mesopotamia by the British it does not matter it's about the petrodollar and so our stupid materialistic way of life can continue. That is what we went to war about and that is what we fought for. Remember when Idi Amin was killing millions of Africans we really did not give a damn as there was no oil. If Obummer had been aggressive in making us oil independent we really would not care now but he screwed that up too. The Iraq fighters could understand at least we bought time. However, under this administration they do not know what they bought and are frustrated.

So to watch Obummer preen himself yelling Mission Accomplished when most thinking people doubt if it really is "Peace in our time". Do you know about the last moron that yelled that one?

So, many more Americans will die in the future sorting out this mess and yet will the libs do? Fail to utter a word of criticism - pathetic but predictable. Fixations are tough to overcome Sam but you really need to try. So I await your reply and as usual you will deal with a irrelevant side issue and as usual I will pull you back to the central issue which you won't answer..... and so the cycle continues. :) So Sam you love the last word so let's have it, I need to get out there and mow.....
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:23 am

samhill wrote:So Flyer, in honor of those Heroes we should kill & deform more lives? I don't think you really mean that & I don't know too many if any Vets that would prefer to be at war & oppose peace.



I did not say that. If this idiot and chief that people like you elected had a ball and any leadership skills this would not have been allowed to happen. Face it countries that respected our might are laughing at us right now. We ( the current administration) are like the big kid in school that acted tough but just had is ass handed to him by a twerp.
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